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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2024, 05:10:42 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!

We won in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (despite Republicans expecting to win all 3) and got split results in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada (with again Republicans expecting to sweep all 3).

Even if Biden bleeds away GA/WI/NV, holding AZ/MI/PA should be enough to get a second term.
If we


They still haven’t accepted the fact that 2022 was an embarrassing disaster for them.
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2024, 05:48:09 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!

We won in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (despite Republicans expecting to win all 3) and got split results in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada (with again Republicans expecting to sweep all 3).

Even if Biden bleeds away GA/WI/NV, holding AZ/MI/PA should be enough to get a second term.
If we

Yes, if 2022 counts as a Republican win, I’d hate to see what a loss looks like LOL.
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2024, 05:49:22 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!

We won in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (despite Republicans expecting to win all 3) and got split results in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada (with again Republicans expecting to sweep all 3).

Even if Biden bleeds away GA/WI/NV, holding AZ/MI/PA should be enough to get a second term.
If we

Yes, if 2022 counts as a Republican win, I’d hate to see what a loss looks like LOL.

I guess it looks like 2020.
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2024, 05:54:22 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!
We won in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (despite Republicans expecting to win all 3) and got split results in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada (with again Republicans expecting to sweep all 3).

Even if Biden bleeds away GA/WI/NV, holding AZ/MI/PA should be enough to get a second term.
If we

Yes, if 2022 counts as a Republican win, I’d hate to see what a loss looks like LOL.
2022 was weird because by technicality Rs won as Dems objectively have less power in Washinton than they did before the election. Optics wise though it was an awful result for the GOP.
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2024, 06:24:30 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!
We won in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (despite Republicans expecting to win all 3) and got split results in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada (with again Republicans expecting to sweep all 3).

Even if Biden bleeds away GA/WI/NV, holding AZ/MI/PA should be enough to get a second term.
If we

Yes, if 2022 counts as a Republican win, I’d hate to see what a loss looks like LOL.
2022 was weird because by technicality Rs won as Dems objectively have less power in Washinton than they did before the election. Optics wise though it was an awful result for the GOP.

Even if you include the bare flip of the House, I’d make the case that 2022 was a stronger result for Dems than 2018 or 2020. When was the last time the party in the White House swept the swing states in a midterm? Didn’t happen even in 2002. They expanded their governorships and state legislatures and won three more seats on the Senate map than they did in the 2016 cycle.
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2024, 06:41:43 PM »

The thing with 2022 is that every single candidate directly linkable to the democracy/January 6 attacks in a swing state lost. You can't really point toward Joe Lombardo because he's not an election denier.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2024, 06:57:16 PM »

Yep 2022 was because of democracy.

No, not that hugely impactful SC decision that Dems in 2022 said they were running against and jammed referenda on the ballot for.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2024, 06:58:17 PM »

This has been well-known since the insurrection happened.

It is certainly important: "Dobbs, jobs, and mobs" as I always say.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2024, 07:08:55 PM »

It’s interesting that we’re doing the exact same discourse about this that we did in 2022, complete with learning zero lessons from what actually happened in 2022.

Because 2010 and 2002 and 1994 did such a great job at predicting 2012, 2004, and 1996 respectively
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2024, 09:00:12 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!
They won where it mattered. They expanded the senate and won several key governorships and secretary of states. Imagine if Mark Finchem won in Arizona or Amy Loudenbeck in Wisconsin or Jim Marchant in Nevada. All close races for SoS
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2024, 10:50:28 PM »

Worked in 2022. Obama's warning in the last few days of the midterm campaign really help get several Democrats over the line
They lost in 2022!
They won where it mattered. They expanded the senate and won several key governorships and secretary of states. Imagine if Mark Finchem won in Arizona or Amy Loudenbeck in Wisconsin or Jim Marchant in Nevada. All close races for SoS
Although the Wisconsin Secretary of State does not handle elections and is actually a pretty unimportant office on a whole. The only major duty it does is appoint people to manage DMVs.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2024, 07:35:19 AM »

Biden's campaign needs to persuade voters that Biden's policies have helped them.

Polling shows that most believe otherwise, which puts him at a disadvantage compared to Trump. The Washington Post reported yesterday that even most Democrats don't believe that they have been helped personally by Biden's policies.

How much do you trust American voters to turn out for "democracy" if they don't believe that it benefits them personally?
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2024, 09:25:21 AM »

Biden's campaign needs to persuade voters that Biden's policies have helped them.

Polling shows that most believe otherwise, which puts him at a disadvantage compared to Trump. The Washington Post reported yesterday that even most Democrats don't believe that they have been helped personally by Biden's policies.

How much do you trust American voters to turn out for "democracy" if they don't believe that it benefits them personally?

Agreed, but Biden's record of legislative accomplishments is far greater than Trump's and even Obama's.

He won't have trouble highlighting that long list, but if voters don't want to acknowledge it then frankly, that is not an issue Biden and his team can overcome. It speaks to broader failures of the media, civic education, and dangerous tribalism.
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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2024, 09:43:08 AM »

Since when can we just talk one issue? Trump is an essential threat to the institutions of the this country and would inflict severe damage on established principals. That doesn't mean we can't talk about other issues like economic policies. Biden needs to paint Trump as out of touch and challenge him on lowering the cost of living. The GOP has nothing to offer other than tax cuts for the rich.
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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2024, 09:48:38 AM »

Biden's campaign needs to persuade voters that Biden's policies have helped them.

Polling shows that most believe otherwise, which puts him at a disadvantage compared to Trump. The Washington Post reported yesterday that even most Democrats don't believe that they have been helped personally by Biden's policies.

How much do you trust American voters to turn out for "democracy" if they don't believe that it benefits them personally?

Agreed, but Biden's record of legislative accomplishments is far greater than Trump's and even Obama's.

He won't have trouble highlighting that long list, but if voters don't want to acknowledge it then frankly, that is not an issue Biden and his team can overcome. It speaks to broader failures of the media, civic education, and dangerous tribalism.

Also, if a voters' take on democracy is "yeah, but what's in it for me??" then they don't actually care about democracy lol
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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2024, 12:06:01 PM »

A skilled commander seeks victory from the situation and does not demand it of his subordinates.

We can sit back and talk about public virtue and media ecology until we're blue in the face. This is an election, not a civics lesson. (Democrats won in 2022 because they remembered this.)
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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2024, 05:01:29 PM »

"Campaign to focus on democracy...will say nothing about how his party at a federal and state level both political partisans and elected officials will actively seek to keep people and groups off ballots."

I'm all for a presidential campaign based on democracy, and making greater society realize Republicans and Democrats don't give a sh*t about democracy.

Cool story bro. Yet Perhaps the slightly Teensy tiny distinction is that Democrats have sought to do so using the rule of law rather than overthrowing it. But you are so close
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2024, 05:25:06 PM »

Repeat the 2020 message and get a 2020 result:  Biden narrowly defeats Trump, while Congressional Republicans exceed expectations downballot.
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