Which would you rather prefer : Israel lose this war or your preferred candidate lose this election

[OSR stands with Israel]

I obviously would choose having my preferred candidate lose here . Israel losing would be far far worse than any outcome of the 2024 election

[redjohn]

I'd rather Israel lose this war than Biden win. Israel deserves to lose this war and face serious repercussions for the atrocities it's committing, and Palestinians deserve to not live under a brutal occupation where they are only allowed to live at the whims of the Israeli military.

[bagelman]

What would the implications of Israel losing be? Total destruction of Israel? Merely the independence of Gaza as part of a free* Palestine?

*(free to be ruled by vile theocrats)

[RGM2609]

Israel losing would be an absolute disaster for the Middle East. Trump winning would be a disaster for the entire world.

[dead0man]

my preferred candidate is going to lose no matter what, so I'm voting for that.  Israel "losing", depending on what that means, could lead to millions of dead people...or worse.

[SWE]

Israel losing would be a good thing

[America Needs R'hllor]

Israel losing would be a good thing

Me when I have a memory span of one (1) month and\or want to see actual genocide

[Transgender for Everybody]

Like what Bagelman said, it depends on how, exactly, Israel loses. Is this the destruction of Israel or merely just an independent Gaza? The latter, despite the theocracy, is not as bad as Trump winning, in practical terms; the former is, possibly worse.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It depends on what Israel losing means. Do they just pull out of Gaza without rescuing hostages and become compelled to rebuild the territory?

If so, I would prefer that to Trump winning again.

[America Needs R'hllor]

my preferred candidate is going to lose no matter what, so I'm voting for that.  Israel "losing", depending on what that means, could lead to millions of dead people...or worse.

Yeah, I was going to write a whole thing about how people have completely memory holed October 7th and don’t seem to understand that Hamas isn’t a normal adversary but I think I’ll just repost something and be a buzzkill again:

And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

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Similar discoveries were made in two kibbutzim, Be’eri and Kfar Aza. Eight volunteer medics and two Israeli soldiers told The Times that in at least six different houses, they had come across a total of at least 24 bodies of women and girls naked or half naked, some mutilated, others tied up, and often alone.

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Shari Mendes, an architect called up as a reserve soldier to help prepare the bodies of female soldiers for burial, said she had seen four with signs of sexual violence, including some with “a lot of blood in their pelvic areas.”

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The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.

“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

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A dentist, Captain Maayan, who worked at the same identification center, said that she had seen at least 10 bodies of female soldiers from Gaza observation posts with signs of sexual violence.

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Mr. Fintzy said Israeli security forces were still finding imagery that shows women were brutalized. Sitting at his desk at an imposing police building in Jerusalem, he swiped open his phone, tapped and produced the video of the two soldiers shot in the vagina, which he said was recorded by Hamas gunmen and recently recovered by Israeli soldiers.