Who is more responsible for genocide?

[SnowLabrador]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

I don't hold either responsible tbh. Russia is a dictatorship so obviously what the average Russian can do to oppose Putin is, uh, rather risky. The US might be a democracy, but foreign policy is one of those areas where there's very little connection between public opinion and elite consensus (the only exception is the MAGA crowd, which holds disproportionate influence, but of course these are the people who are fine letting Israel bomb Gaza relentlessly).

[Transgender for Everybody]

This is a SnowLabrador posf.

That said, why not blame the average Israeli citizen for the war crimes going on in Gaza rather than Americans? The US is going to keep funding Israel no matter what its government does (because let's be real, Biden is about as pro-Palestine as a U.S. president is going to get--it doesn't look like much because it isn't, but it's still more than Genocide Donald would/will do), so it's on the people of Israel to get their government to stop aspiring to genocide, if they haven't reached it already.

[Voice of low info America]

If you really think not protesting makes you culpable for genocide, why are you posting here instead of on the steps of Congress in Washington?

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

But I thought America was the worst country on Earth?

[Vosem]

I guess 2 since it's much easier to characterize discrete actions of the Russian military as genocidal (as in Bucha for instance), but it's really a stretch to describe either of these campaigns as a genocide at all. Under this logic my answer would not change for any two groups of people (ie, literally anyone on Earth is more responsible for the "Russian genocide" than the "Israeli genocide", including members of the Israeli military, members of Hamas, the Sentinelese Islanders, etc.).

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

Not sure how I feel about this. Either both are complicit or neither of them are, Imo.

[Ferguson97]

Neither. The President of the United States cannot control the policies of the Israeli government, and the Russian people do not live in a democracy.

[SnowLabrador]

Neither. The President of the United States cannot control the policies of the Israeli government, and the Russian people do not live in a democracy.

If the United States stopped sending military aid to Israel, Israel would not be able to continue its genocide of the Gazans.

[patzer]

This thread is about as insane as claiming American civilians are responsible for Rojava carrying out a "genocide of Arabs" in Raqqa...

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Isn't the average Russian supportive of "annexing" Ukraine? Obviously, not all, but many (most?) are.

Meanwhile, Americans are much more nuanced on the whole Israel-Palestine situation (neither of which were former territories of the US).

[Long Live The King!]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

SnowLabrador, you're responsible for genocide? Shame on you!

[SnowLabrador]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

SnowLabrador, you're responsible for genocide? Shame on you!

I am, which is why I feel guilty for my nationality, and why I gave $500 to Gaza yesterday.

[PSOL]

This thread is about as insane as claiming American civilians are responsible for Rojava carrying out a "genocide of Arabs" in Raqqa...

The ethnic cleansing done by Rojava is immensely ignored in many circles at the height of their territorial expansion. When the Soviets took drastic measures to survive WWII, and offer a right of return policy more fair than what is happening in Palestine or Ukraine, it’s bad but when Rojava does it often without need and against former allies against ISIS it’s handwaived.

While I want the Russians out of Ukraine, nothing they are doing constitutes trying to kill off the Ukrainian people and this war was started and carried out initially with the expectation that they’d become Russian citizens to replace the ones who died from Russia’s experience with capitalism.

[Vosem]

Neither. The President of the United States cannot control the policies of the Israeli government, and the Russian people do not live in a democracy.

If the United States stopped sending military aid to Israel, Israel would not be able to continue its genocide of the Gazans.

This seems very different from what's going on? If the United States stopped sending "humanitarian" aid to Gaza, then the unjust war their government is waging could stop.

[HisGrace]

Neither of these things is a genocide so neither.

[Samof94]

Isn't the average Russian supportive of "annexing" Ukraine? Obviously, not all, but many (most?) are.

Meanwhile, Americans are much more nuanced on the whole Israel-Palestine situation (neither of which were former territories of the US).

A lot of Russians want a homophobic strongman in charge so they are not "sissified" by Europe. This is one argument they are using to conquer Ukraine.

[Paul Biya isn’t going far enough]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

SnowLabrador, you're responsible for genocide? Shame on you!

I am, which is why I feel guilty for my nationality, and why I gave $500 to Gaza yesterday.

Trolling has to at least be somewhat realistic.

[Voice of low info America]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

SnowLabrador, you're responsible for genocide? Shame on you!

I am, which is why I feel guilty for my nationality, and why I gave $500 to Gaza yesterday.

$500 would buy a one-way flight out of the country. Just saying...

[SnowLabrador]

I lean towards Option 1. Russian civilians can't vote Putin out, whereas American civilians can at least protest and pressure their government and be relatively confident that they won't be disappeared.

SnowLabrador, you're responsible for genocide? Shame on you!

I am, which is why I feel guilty for my nationality, and why I gave $500 to Gaza yesterday.

Trolling has to at least be somewhat realistic.

I actually did give $500 to an aid organization. I can message you the receipt if you want.