Which active U.S. military alliances should we exit from?

[Blue3]

Based on this list:
https://2009-2017.state.gov/s/l/treaty/collectivedefense/
(it looks like it hasn't been updated since Obama but I think it's still complete?)

Set forth below is a list of U.S. collective defense arrangements and the parties thereto:
NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY

A treaty signed April 4, 1949, by which the Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all; and each of them will assist the attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.

PARTIES: United States, Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND

A Treaty signed September 1, 1951, whereby each of the parties recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on any of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes.

PARTIES: United States , Australia, New Zealand
PHILIPPINE TREATY (Bilateral)

A treaty signed August 30, 1951, by which the parties recognize that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and each party agrees that it will act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.

PARTIES: United States, Philippines
SOUTHEAST ASIA TREATY

A treaty signed September 8, 1954, whereby each party recognizes that aggression by means of armed attack in the treaty area against any of the Parties would endanger its own peace and safety and each will in that event act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes.

PARTIES: United States , Australia, France, New Zealand, Philippines, Thailand, and the United Kingdom
JAPANESE TREATY (Bilateral)

A treaty signed January 19, 1960, whereby each party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes. The treaty replaced the security treaty signed September 8, 1951.

PARTIES: United States, Japan
REPUBLIC OF KOREA TREATY (Bilateral)

A treaty signed October 1, 1953, whereby each party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and that each Party would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes.

PARTIES: United States, Korea
RIO TREATY

A treaty signed September 2, 1947, which provides that an armed attack against any American State shall be considered as an attack against all the American States and each one undertakes to assist in meeting the attack.

PARTIES: United States, Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela

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NOTE:  During 2004, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovak Republic, and Slovenia were added to the list and Mexico was removed.

[Florida Man for Crime]

Obviously the correct answer is none of the above.

[ugabug]

None of them.

[Roll Roons]

We're in a mutual defense treaty with Cuba and Venezuela??!!

[Blue3]

We're in a mutual defense treaty with Cuba and Venezuela??!!

Basically a legal enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine, if we ever wanted to exercise that again.


One thing about military alliances is that, historically, they're not always honored.

[Fuzzy Bear]

We should conduct a cost-benefit analysis of all of our alliances.  Dwight Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles proposed this in the 1950s.

[dead0man]

We're in a mutual defense treaty with Cuba and Venezuela??!!

wiki tells us that Venezuela is in fact a member (and just since 2019), Cuba is "suspended" since 1962.  Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua are non-members as well.

[Ferguson97]

Where is the “none” option?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

We've supported a lot of coups against signers of the Rio Treaty.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Why the f@ck is US defending Australia and New Zealand? Throw them to the wolves (CCP) for all I care, since they both overwhelmingly support China.

[Agonized-Statism]

Important to keep a thumb on Japan still, because the alternative at this point in time would be a nuclear Japan susceptible to belligerent nationalist takeover with its ongoing decline, and they would probably go and start a war with China. Otherwise, I'd like to see the US focused on soft power projection, getting green tech to the Global South in particular. I was also a little disgusted with Australia's philistinish Lucky Country mentality when visiting, I think we need to cut the cord and let them sink or swim.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Why the f@ck is US defending Australia and New Zealand? Throw them to the wolves (CCP) for all I care, since they both overwhelmingly support China.

Do you realize Australia has one of the most anti-China populations in the world? China is hated by literally all sides of the political spectrum here and is often used to fearmonger by both parties.
Idk about NZ, but you have no idea about Australian politics.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

All except the one with Australia

[Kabam]

All except the one with Australia

Very surprising choice. ^^

[It’s so Joever]

We should conduct a cost-benefit analysis of all of our alliances.  Dwight Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles proposed this in the 1950s.

You act as if such a thing isn’t likely done routinely in the State Department already. What’s more likely is it just gets buried in a sea of other reports. Anyways we obviously benefit from all these alliances geopolitically which is why they will remain (hopefully)

[BlueSwan]

You can't even vote without clicking an option. The obvious answer here is "none".

[Sir Mohamed]

None

[Del Tachi]

Ideally, we would exit all except an expanded Rio Treaty that includes Mexico and Canada.

It's time we become THE UNITED STATES OF ALL-AMERICA

[DrScholl]

There is a huge misunderstanding of why the United States is a part of these treaties and why it is beneficial. The United States shouldn't leave any of those alliances.

[It’s so Joever]

Ideally, we would exit all except an expanded Rio Treaty that includes Mexico and Canada.

It's time we become THE UNITED STATES OF ALL-AMERICA

Is this trolling? If it were someone else I’d assume it were but you have enough idiotic takes that this one could fit right in.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Peak Atlas poll

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Poll is worthless without a "NOTA" option. I voted for the Phillippine one considering how lousy their leaders have been lately.

[Upper Canada Tory]

We're in a mutual defense treaty with Cuba and Venezuela??!!

Cuba is no longer a member of the Rio Treaty, I believe. It was suspended in the 1960s. Also, the treaty isn't enforced (otherwise, the US invasion of Panama wouldn't have happened and the US would have had to defend both the UK and Argentina simultaneously during the Falklands War).

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Why the f@ck is US defending Australia and New Zealand? Throw them to the wolves (CCP) for all I care, since they both overwhelmingly support China.

Do you realize Australia has one of the most anti-China populations in the world? China is hated by literally all sides of the political spectrum here and is often used to fearmonger by both parties.
Idk about NZ, but you have no idea about Australian politics.

A big part of Labor's victory in the Aston by-election was on pro-China messaging to Chinese Australians and fear-mongering over Dutton.

Can you imagine the Democrats openly defending China?

[jaichind]

Get out of all of them.  I do think Rio (Latin America) and Anglosphere states (Australia and New Zealand, UK) make some sense.