Should Biden demand the resignation of Netanyahu?

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

This strikes me as a win-win for Biden both on political and policy grounds.  What's stopping this?

It's not a win-win, it's a lose-lose.

- Biden looks weak after Netenyahu obviously refuses.
- It damages Biden's already tenuous relationship with Netenyahu, making it harder to get achievable concessions from Israel.
- The far-left and the Arab community wouldn't give him any credit, they'd call it "a distraction" or something. They will always move the goal posts.
- Moderates will see this as him abandoning Israel.

Would all of Netanyahu’s allies stay with him if Biden did this? Isn’t there a significant chance Israel would be destroyed if is was no longer supported by the US?

Dude, take a look at who Netanyahu's allies are. This is the equivalent of expecting the Freedom Caucus to care about something Biden said.

[Ferguson97]

Isn’t there a significant chance Israel would be destroyed if is was no longer supported by the US?

There is, which is why Netenyahu would call Biden’s bluff on this implicit empty threat.

[Isaak]

If this were ever to happen...

...Netanyahu would of course reject it, making Biden look like a weak and desperate fool.
...a significant portion of the Israeli population would rally around Netanyahu, angered by Biden's insolence. Who is he to interfere in the internal affairs of a democratic all?
...America's European allies would probably wonder whether Biden has lost his mind.

It's high time for Americans to realize that it's none of their business who Israel chooses as its leader.

[DavidB.]

No, the Israeli people should demand his resignation.

[Frodo]

No, the Israeli people should demand his resignation.

^^^^^

This.  It isn't our decision to make.  Let Israeli citizens determine his fate.   

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

He's not going to

[pppolitics]

...and what would that do?

Bibi has been giving Biden the middle finger this entire time, yet Biden wants to send more aid with no strings attached to Israel.

[Joe Biden 2028]

If this were ever to happen...

...Netanyahu would of course reject it, making Biden look like a weak and desperate fool.
...a significant portion of the Israeli population would rally around Netanyahu, angered by Biden's insolence. Who is he to interfere in the internal affairs of a democratic all?
...America's European allies would probably wonder whether Biden has lost his mind.

It's high time for Americans to realize that it's none of their business who Israel chooses as its leader.

I mean, Obama endorsed Trudeau twice. And Obama was clearly "Remain" during the Brexit campaign

Heck, even Netanyahu made it clear that he want Trump to win back in 2020

[Devils30]

If this were ever to happen...

...Netanyahu would of course reject it, making Biden look like a weak and desperate fool.
...a significant portion of the Israeli population would rally around Netanyahu, angered by Biden's insolence. Who is he to interfere in the internal affairs of a democratic all?
...America's European allies would probably wonder whether Biden has lost his mind.

It's high time for Americans to realize that it's none of their business who Israel chooses as its leader.

I mean, Obama endorsed Trudeau twice. And Obama was clearly "Remain" during the Brexit campaign

Heck, even Netanyahu made it clear that he want Trump to win back in 2020

I want Bibi gone but Biden publicly encouraging this will only cause Israelis to dig in further and make it less likely he is out.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

He said Israel has the right to defend itself

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I mean, Obama endorsed Trudeau twice. And Obama was clearly "Remain" during the Brexit campaign

Heck, even Netanyahu made it clear that he want Trump to win back in 2020

Endorsing political candidates and campaigns isn't the same as calling for regime change.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

No, the Israeli people should demand his resignation.

^^^^^

This.  It isn't our decision to make.  Let Israeli citizens determine his fate.   

Well fine. Biden should just announce that aid to Israel is suspended until the Israeli people choose a different government.

[Joe Biden 2028]

I mean, Obama endorsed Trudeau twice. And Obama was clearly "Remain" during the Brexit campaign

Heck, even Netanyahu made it clear that he want Trump to win back in 2020

Endorsing political candidates and campaigns isn't the same as calling for regime change.

Why is asking Netanyahu to resign "regime change"

Israel's democracy allows for the PM to resign and for snap elections. The opposition supports this all the time.

If this were ever to happen...

...Netanyahu would of course reject it, making Biden look like a weak and desperate fool.
...a significant portion of the Israeli population would rally around Netanyahu, angered by Biden's insolence. Who is he to interfere in the internal affairs of a democratic all?
...America's European allies would probably wonder whether Biden has lost his mind.

It's high time for Americans to realize that it's none of their business who Israel chooses as its leader.

I mean, Obama endorsed Trudeau twice. And Obama was clearly "Remain" during the Brexit campaign

Heck, even Netanyahu made it clear that he want Trump to win back in 2020

I want Bibi gone but Biden publicly encouraging this will only cause Israelis to dig in further and make it less likely he is out.

I agree

In fact, some of Netanyahu's success from 2015-2019 came from him campaigning on "Standing up to Obama''

Yair Lapid main campaign theme in 2021 was his good relationship with Biden. Didn't do much good

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why wouldn't it be a clear winner for Biden to declare that he will condition any future aid to Israel on Netanyahu resigning as Prime Minister?

- Biden clearly doesn't like Netanyahu personally
- The left and the Arab community would certainly want to Biden to move against Netanyahu
- Most American Jews support Israel but don't like Netanyahu
- Netanyahu is already very unpopular in his own country and it would only take a few members to his coalition support a no-confidence to force his resignation
- Replacing him would likely substantively help negotiations between Israel and Palestine
- Replacing him would probably do more toward a long term solution in Israel than just a cease fire that restores the situation to pre-Oct 7

This strikes me as a win-win for Biden both on political and policy grounds.  What's stopping this?

There is no basis to expect moderation from the Palestinians under any circumstances.  Not one faction of the Palestinians has conceded the right of Israel to even exist.

Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem collaborated with Hitler to block European Jews from seeking refuge in Palestine, a land that they had (and have) and indigenous claim to.  How many lives that cost is tough to measure, but the Mufti was a war criminal, convicted in absentia.  

There's been much talk of "reckonings" over the last few years.  Since folks have gone down that route, let the Palestinians (who provided no opposition to the Mufti) reckon with THAT past.  Let them deal with their role in denying Jews a sanctuary.  Let them recognize their own action in making Zionism NECESSARY.  Once that happens, I'm willing to listen to their grievances.  Not until that point, and not until the Palestinian factions state, unequivocally, that Israel has a right to exist.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Why is asking Netanyahu to resign "regime change"

Because it is? LOL. Netanyahu resigning would mean a new regime (PM) comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I want Netanyahu to resign because he's a POS. However, Biden calling for him to resign would be ineffective.

Israel's democracy allows for the PM to resign and for snap elections. The opposition supports this all the time.

Yeah, and that's for the Israelis to decide.

The only exception to "not calling for a regime change" is when a country is not a democracy and/or has a sham democracy.

[DK_Mo82]

This strikes me as a win-win for Biden both on political and policy grounds.  What's stopping this?

It's not a win-win, it's a lose-lose.

- Biden looks weak after Netenyahu obviously refuses.
- It damages Biden's already tenuous relationship with Netenyahu, making it harder to get achievable concessions from Israel.
- The far-left and the Arab community wouldn't give him any credit, they'd call it "a distraction" or something. They will always move the goal posts.
- Moderates will see this as him abandoning Israel.

Would all of Netanyahu’s allies stay with him if Biden did this? Isn’t there a significant chance Israel would be destroyed if is was no longer supported by the US?

Israel has nuke, if they get "destroyd" they take everyone down with them, hopefully cooler heads would prevail

[DK_Mo82]

Besides which hate to say China or Russia may fill any void US left if the US disengaged from selling Israel weapons and security state

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why is asking Netanyahu to resign "regime change"

Because it is? LOL. Netanyahu resigning would mean a new regime (PM) comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I want Netanyahu to resign because he's a POS. However, Biden calling for him to resign would be ineffective.

Why would this be less effective than calling for "cease fire", which so many progressives have been asking for Biden to do for months?

Israel's democracy allows for the PM to resign and for snap elections. The opposition supports this all the time.

Yeah, and that's for the Israelis to decide.

The only exception to "not calling for a regime change" is when a country is not a democracy and/or has a sham democracy.

Israel is arguably a sham democracy given that they deny almost half the residents of the country basic citizenship and voting rights.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why wouldn't it be a clear winner for Biden to declare that he will condition any future aid to Israel on Netanyahu resigning as Prime Minister?

- Biden clearly doesn't like Netanyahu personally
- The left and the Arab community would certainly want to Biden to move against Netanyahu
- Most American Jews support Israel but don't like Netanyahu
- Netanyahu is already very unpopular in his own country and it would only take a few members to his coalition support a no-confidence to force his resignation
- Replacing him would likely substantively help negotiations between Israel and Palestine
- Replacing him would probably do more toward a long term solution in Israel than just a cease fire that restores the situation to pre-Oct 7

This strikes me as a win-win for Biden both on political and policy grounds.  What's stopping this?

There is no basis to expect moderation from the Palestinians under any circumstances.  Not one faction of the Palestinians has conceded the right of Israel to even exist.

Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem collaborated with Hitler to block European Jews from seeking refuge in Palestine, a land that they had (and have) and indigenous claim to.  How many lives that cost is tough to measure, but the Mufti was a war criminal, convicted in absentia.  

There's been much talk of "reckonings" over the last few years.  Since folks have gone down that route, let the Palestinians (who provided no opposition to the Mufti) reckon with THAT past.  Let them deal with their role in denying Jews a sanctuary.  Let them recognize their own action in making Zionism NECESSARY.  Once that happens, I'm willing to listen to their grievances.  Not until that point, and not until the Palestinian factions state, unequivocally, that Israel has a right to exist.

I agree with this as far as the Palestinian side goes.  Which is why I've never thought just insisting on a "cease fire" is a good idea.  But both sides have to agree to come to a resolution, and the Israeli side also seems like they are never going to do this while Netanyahu is in power.  The Palestinians may have to be convinced by force, but the Israelis could be convinced to change by political pressure.

[Beet]

Yes, he should.

And it doesn't make a difference if every single Israeli unites behind Netanyahu and tells him to f**k off. Biden would benefit tremendously simply for having stood up for himself and for his country as opposed to looking like Netanyahu's pet like he does now.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Why would this be less effective than calling for "cease fire", which so many progressives have been asking for Biden to do for months?

I have never called for or supported a "ceasefire" (excl. during the hostage-prisoner swap), so you would have to ask those who have.

Israel is arguably a sham democracy given that they deny almost half the residents of the country basic citizenship and voting rights.

Evidence of this?

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The Biden administration took away all our leverage when Harris said our support for Israel was unconditional. It's absolutely unacceptable that we give money to the Netanyahu government while they do ethnic cleansing.

[Santander]

No, the Israeli people should demand his resignation.

^^^^^

This.  It isn't our decision to make.  Let Israeli citizens determine his fate.   

Well fine. Biden should just announce that aid to Israel is suspended until the Israeli people choose a different government.

That would only diminish America's standing among all Israelis.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Why is asking Netanyahu to resign "regime change"

Because it is? LOL. Netanyahu resigning would mean a new regime (PM) comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I want Netanyahu to resign because he's a POS. However, Biden calling for him to resign would be ineffective.

Israel's democracy allows for the PM to resign and for snap elections. The opposition supports this all the time.

Yeah, and that's for the Israelis to decide.

The only exception to "not calling for a regime change" is when a country is not a democracy and/or has a sham democracy.

The term used “regime change” while accurate is not commonly used in this context. No one considered Biden beating Trump to be regime change. That term is usually referred when a democracy becomes a dictatorship for example

[Joe Biden 2028]

Why wouldn't it be a clear winner for Biden to declare that he will condition any future aid to Israel on Netanyahu resigning as Prime Minister?

- Biden clearly doesn't like Netanyahu personally
- The left and the Arab community would certainly want to Biden to move against Netanyahu
- Most American Jews support Israel but don't like Netanyahu
- Netanyahu is already very unpopular in his own country and it would only take a few members to his coalition support a no-confidence to force his resignation
- Replacing him would likely substantively help negotiations between Israel and Palestine
- Replacing him would probably do more toward a long term solution in Israel than just a cease fire that restores the situation to pre-Oct 7

This strikes me as a win-win for Biden both on political and policy grounds.  What's stopping this?

There is no basis to expect moderation from the Palestinians under any circumstances.  Not one faction of the Palestinians has conceded the right of Israel to even exist.

Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem collaborated with Hitler to block European Jews from seeking refuge in Palestine, a land that they had (and have) and indigenous claim to.  How many lives that cost is tough to measure, but the Mufti was a war criminal, convicted in absentia.  

There's been much talk of "reckonings" over the last few years.  Since folks have gone down that route, let the Palestinians (who provided no opposition to the Mufti) reckon with THAT past.  Let them deal with their role in denying Jews a sanctuary.  Let them recognize their own action in making Zionism NECESSARY.  Once that happens, I'm willing to listen to their grievances.  Not until that point, and not until the Palestinian factions state, unequivocally, that Israel has a right to exist.

The internationally recognized Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel’s right to exist.

And wtf are you talking about the Grand Mufti. The Arabs had mo say about Jewish migration into British Palestine. It was Great Britain who decided who could migrant, who couldn’t. Any Arab resistance to Jewish migration comes from not wanting Jewish settlers to take Arab land.  Not “wanting them to die in Europe”. Important to note that Hitler considered Arabs to be subhuman and only worked with the EXILED Grand Mufti as he was losing the war