Biden completely deluded from reality; Tells Donors "We can win Florida"

[BlueSwan]

While I agree that Biden isn't winning Florida, I don't think abandoning a massive state that is still this close would be wise. Sure, Biden shouldn't be spending at the levels he should be spending in the really crucial states (PA/MI/WI/AZ/NV/GA), but Florida shouldn't be ignored either.

[mileslunn]

While I agree that Biden isn't winning Florida, I don't think abandoning a massive state that is still this close would be wise. Sure, Biden shouldn't be spending at the levels he should be spending in the really crucial states (PA/MI/WI/AZ/NV/GA), but Florida shouldn't be ignored either.

Exactly as while cannot win in 2024, want to maintain infrastructure and ground work in place for 2028 where depending on environment may have a chance.  Also state has lots of down ballot races so when it comes to control of house, there are still swing districts that matter and if too many Democrats stay home could cost them some house seats in the state.  Heck I would argue New York and California matter to GOP for same reason as won't win state but enough congressional districts in both states that could go either way and with how closely divided house has been in last two, its not impossible one of those states could decide who controls house.

[It's Time.]

He only lost by 4 last time.

He will lose by 10 this time

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Biden shouldn’t give up on Florida. He’s unlikely to win but he can make it a lot closer than people think and juicing Democratic turnout could help the abortion referendum get the 60% it needs to pass. Good turnout will also help down ballot in the House and Senate races. Dems should definitely invest in Florida, not on the level of the Big 7 but as a second-tier state. Doing decently could help them repair the state party and do better in later elections.

[Kabam]

"We won't win Florida. But give me your money, so we won't lose by that much."
That's surely how you get donors to give you money. /s

[Podgy the Bear]

Looks like Biden and the Democrats have plenty of money to spend on this election (unlike Trump--who is blowing it all away on legal fees and such).  It's getting more probable that he will hold the blue wall (the 2016 Hillary states), and he'll have more than adequate resources to fight in the swing states.

With that in mind, put a fair amount of money in Florida to get out the vote.   Biden's not going to win it, but making Florida competitive will help at the state legislative level.  And it might be a boost to Debbie Murcasel-Powell against an unpopular Rick Scott.

[henster]

This is like the hyperbolic fundraising emails, it's just ginning people up to get them to donate more. Most of the donors are Florida residents who would like to see their state flip back. So they are going to give a little more $$ if Biden tells them what they want to hear.

[ProgressiveModerate]

While I agree that Biden isn't winning Florida, I don't think abandoning a massive state that is still this close would be wise. Sure, Biden shouldn't be spending at the levels he should be spending in the really crucial states (PA/MI/WI/AZ/NV/GA), but Florida shouldn't be ignored either.

Exactly as while cannot win in 2024, want to maintain infrastructure and ground work in place for 2028 where depending on environment may have a chance.  Also state has lots of down ballot races so when it comes to control of house, there are still swing districts that matter and if too many Democrats stay home could cost them some house seats in the state.  Heck I would argue New York and California matter to GOP for same reason as won't win state but enough congressional districts in both states that could go either way and with how closely divided house has been in last two, its not impossible one of those states could decide who controls house.

Not really. Florida's map was gerrymandered in a way where there are no seats between Biden + 0 and Biden + 15; basically no seats that would be expected to vote close to the median house seat. If Dems are winning seats like FL-07, FL-13, and FL-27 they've likely already won the House, and if Rs are winning seats like FL-09 and FL-23 they've likely already won the House. Maybe long terms shifts can change this; DeSantis narrowly carried FL-09 and FL-23 iirc.

[emailking]

He only lost by 4 last time.

He will lose by 10 this time

Conjecture.

[It's Time.]

Florida has not delivered an iota of good news to Democrats within the last decade. Every indication is that the Dem party there is only getting more and more incompetent, as the state transforms into the defacto hub of Republicans. Every cycle, FL Dems always discover new ways to disappoint beyond what was thought possible the previous cycle. Point is, I am keeping my expectations tempered there for 2024.

[TodayJunior]

Only if he’s got the swingy 7 in the bag. I wouldn’t rule out a Biden win here, but it’s definitely an uphill climb obviously. If we end up with an expand the map strategy, I don’t see why they wouldn’t target Florida.

[MarkD]

2008: Obama won by 236,xxx votes; nearly 3 percentage points.
2012: Obama won by 74,xxx votes; nearly 1 percentage point.
2016: Trump won by nearly 113,xxx votes; about 1.2 percentage points.
2020: Trump won by over 371,xxx votes; about 3.36 percentage points.

2010: Rick Scott won the gubernatorial election by over 61,xxx votes; about 1.15 percentage points.
2014: Scott won reelection by about 64,xxx votes; about 1.07 percentage points.
2018: Scott won election to the Senate by only 10,xxx votes; about 0.12 percentage points
2018: Ron DeSantis won the gubernatorial election by a little over 32,xxx votes; about 0.40 percentage points.

What's so hard about believing it is possible to win? This isn't 1988.

[South Dakota Democrat]

2008: Obama won by 236,xxx votes; nearly 3 percentage points.
2012: Obama won by 74,xxx votes; nearly 1 percentage point.
2016: Trump won by nearly 113,xxx votes; about 1.2 percentage points.
2020: Trump won by over 371,xxx votes; about 3.36 percentage points.

2010: Rick Scott won the gubernatorial election by over 61,xxx votes; about 1.15 percentage points.
2014: Scott won reelection by about 64,xxx votes; about 1.07 percentage points.
2018: Scott won election to the Senate by only 10,xxx votes; about 0.12 percentage points
2018: Ron DeSantis won the gubernatorial election by a little over 32,xxx votes; about 0.40 percentage points.

What's so hard about believing it is possible to win? This isn't 1988.

Voter registration numbers

[Sumner 1868]

FL Democrats are extinct regardless what they do because over the next decade the Reagan generation will become most of the retirees. But so many pundits have 2000 engraved in their heads that they won't let go until several cycles of sharp defeats.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Biden has a better chance in TX due to succession not FL