Bernie Sanders says it’s ‘very hard’ for young voters to ‘be excited’

[heatcharger]

Thank you Bernie!

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Biden's problem with Isreal/Palestine is more that it reminds the American people that he is a weak leader heading the country while the world becomes more unstable. His actual actions in Isreal/Palestine conflict have been perfectly fine.

[Diabolical Materialism]

He also said days before the 2016 election that it wasn't racist to vote for Trump which was a signal for his supporters to get revenge over the primary. He is bitter over the primaries and loves to make these veiled shots toward Democrats.

I don't know why anyone thinks that the alternative to Biden would be any better on Gaza. Trump and Bibi are close and Bibi clearly would prefer Trump as President because he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted.

Yeah the dude was so bitter over the primaries he actively campaigned for the party's eventual nominee and spent most of the campaign season trying to get his reluctant base to support them. You can make some pretty valid criticisms of Sanders but he had always played ball with the Democrats, even as much as his inner circle and base seethe over it. Get real.

Him campaigning for Biden doesn't mean he doesn't take pointless digs at him. With what is at stake this sort of comment is not helpful. Voting is not about excitement it is about making sure the right person is elected. Let Trump get reelected and Gaza is wiped off the map permanently because Trump is truly the violent one

"Most important election of our life time" part 328764287435. Things get worse regardless of who wins. The only reason to vote Democratic is to stop Republicans, but Democrats (on here especially) are so condescending when people talk about their frustrations with Biden/Dems, it's hard to give a crap anymore. Gaza is basically flattened as is. Your boy sent emergency military aid so they can continue bombing/killing. But Bernie's the bad guy for calling it out? Gimme a break. Biden should be condemned for giving a blank check to an apartheid state.

The West Bank would be wiped out under Trump, not to mention an invasion of Mexico and who knows where else. It is not condescending to highlight what the alternative is. There is a very fine line to walk between criticism and encouraging people not to vote.

If Trump os reelected progressives will then criticize Democrats for not being able to impeach him out of office.

Not once in this interview does Sanders encourage people not to vote. He is suggesting Biden course correct in order to get people he desperately needs to win TO vote

[Democrats Hate Leftists More Than Predators]

If Biden was any weaker on Israel, he would be attacked relentlessly by the right in the same way they are attacking him for being weak on other foreign policy / border issues. He would lose far more people than just super online leftists who have their heads too far up their own a$$es to understand the gravity of a second Trump term.

But seriously, I'd like to give a sincere middle finger to Bernie, who continues to do more damage to our country than anyone other than Trump himself. Bernie needs to retire and be shunned from politics forever. He is absolutely one of the worst politicians in American history and words cannot describe just how much I loathe him.

Again - I cannot imagine the abject privilege it takes to feel that a man who ran against Democrats' Anointed One 8 years ago is worse than the man who nearly single-handedly reignited the anti-gay rights movement and pulled it out of the fringes.

But then again when you're freethinkingindy and you turned a blind eye to it for years you have a different perspective.

[DrScholl]

He also said days before the 2016 election that it wasn't racist to vote for Trump which was a signal for his supporters to get revenge over the primary. He is bitter over the primaries and loves to make these veiled shots toward Democrats.

I don't know why anyone thinks that the alternative to Biden would be any better on Gaza. Trump and Bibi are close and Bibi clearly would prefer Trump as President because he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted.

Yeah the dude was so bitter over the primaries he actively campaigned for the party's eventual nominee and spent most of the campaign season trying to get his reluctant base to support them. You can make some pretty valid criticisms of Sanders but he had always played ball with the Democrats, even as much as his inner circle and base seethe over it. Get real.

Him campaigning for Biden doesn't mean he doesn't take pointless digs at him. With what is at stake this sort of comment is not helpful. Voting is not about excitement it is about making sure the right person is elected. Let Trump get reelected and Gaza is wiped off the map permanently because Trump is truly the violent one

"Most important election of our life time" part 328764287435. Things get worse regardless of who wins. The only reason to vote Democratic is to stop Republicans, but Democrats (on here especially) are so condescending when people talk about their frustrations with Biden/Dems, it's hard to give a crap anymore. Gaza is basically flattened as is. Your boy sent emergency military aid so they can continue bombing/killing. But Bernie's the bad guy for calling it out? Gimme a break. Biden should be condemned for giving a blank check to an apartheid state.

The West Bank would be wiped out under Trump, not to mention an invasion of Mexico and who knows where else. It is not condescending to highlight what the alternative is. There is a very fine line to walk between criticism and encouraging people not to vote.

If Trump is reelected progressives will then criticize Democrats for not being able to impeach him out of office.

Not once in this interview does Sanders encourage people not to vote. He is suggesting Biden course correct in order to get people he desperately needs to win TO vote

The problem is there are a lot of those voters who are heavily antisemitic and will only support Biden if he goes full on anti-Israel. We've seen how some of these protestors attack Jewish owned businesses under the idea of supporting Palestine. With that said, a Trump re-election equals the true elimination of the Palestinian people because the far-right in Israel would have to green light to exterminate the Palestinian population through forced removal and outright death camps.

[Mr. Smith]

He also said days before the 2016 election that it wasn't racist to vote for Trump which was a signal for his supporters to get revenge over the primary. He is bitter over the primaries and loves to make these veiled shots toward Democrats.

I don't know why anyone thinks that the alternative to Biden would be any better on Gaza. Trump and Bibi are close and Bibi clearly would prefer Trump as President because he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted.

Yeah the dude was so bitter over the primaries he actively campaigned for the party's eventual nominee and spent most of the campaign season trying to get his reluctant base to support them. You can make some pretty valid criticisms of Sanders but he had always played ball with the Democrats, even as much as his inner circle and base seethe over it. Get real.

Him campaigning for Biden doesn't mean he doesn't take pointless digs at him. With what is at stake this sort of comment is not helpful. Voting is not about excitement it is about making sure the right person is elected. Let Trump get reelected and Gaza is wiped off the map permanently because Trump is truly the violent one

It is though, because Biden has to keep track of all aspects of the base, and Bernie is the liaison for that. Not supposed to call a fart a rose.

And getting the right person elected means getting your comrades to arms, which works so much better when excited [negative or no]. If you miss this, you miss the point.

[Diabolical Materialism]

He also said days before the 2016 election that it wasn't racist to vote for Trump which was a signal for his supporters to get revenge over the primary. He is bitter over the primaries and loves to make these veiled shots toward Democrats.

I don't know why anyone thinks that the alternative to Biden would be any better on Gaza. Trump and Bibi are close and Bibi clearly would prefer Trump as President because he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted.

Yeah the dude was so bitter over the primaries he actively campaigned for the party's eventual nominee and spent most of the campaign season trying to get his reluctant base to support them. You can make some pretty valid criticisms of Sanders but he had always played ball with the Democrats, even as much as his inner circle and base seethe over it. Get real.

Him campaigning for Biden doesn't mean he doesn't take pointless digs at him. With what is at stake this sort of comment is not helpful. Voting is not about excitement it is about making sure the right person is elected. Let Trump get reelected and Gaza is wiped off the map permanently because Trump is truly the violent one

"Most important election of our life time" part 328764287435. Things get worse regardless of who wins. The only reason to vote Democratic is to stop Republicans, but Democrats (on here especially) are so condescending when people talk about their frustrations with Biden/Dems, it's hard to give a crap anymore. Gaza is basically flattened as is. Your boy sent emergency military aid so they can continue bombing/killing. But Bernie's the bad guy for calling it out? Gimme a break. Biden should be condemned for giving a blank check to an apartheid state.

The West Bank would be wiped out under Trump, not to mention an invasion of Mexico and who knows where else. It is not condescending to highlight what the alternative is. There is a very fine line to walk between criticism and encouraging people not to vote.

If Trump is reelected progressives will then criticize Democrats for not being able to impeach him out of office.

Not once in this interview does Sanders encourage people not to vote. He is suggesting Biden course correct in order to get people he desperately needs to win TO vote

The problem is there are a lot of those voters who are heavily antisemitic and will only support Biden if he goes full on anti-Israel. We've seen how some of these protestors attack Jewish owned businesses under the idea of supporting Palestine. With that said, a Trump re-election equals the true elimination of the Palestinian people because the far-right in Israel would have to green light to exterminate the Palestinian population through forced removal and outright death camps.

Okay now we're in Lalaland. There is not a block of antisemitic swing voters who heed what Bernard ing Sanders has to say about Joe Biden.

[pppolitics]

He also said days before the 2016 election that it wasn't racist to vote for Trump which was a signal for his supporters to get revenge over the primary. He is bitter over the primaries and loves to make these veiled shots toward Democrats.

I don't know why anyone thinks that the alternative to Biden would be any better on Gaza. Trump and Bibi are close and Bibi clearly would prefer Trump as President because he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted.

Yeah the dude was so bitter over the primaries he actively campaigned for the party's eventual nominee and spent most of the campaign season trying to get his reluctant base to support them. You can make some pretty valid criticisms of Sanders but he had always played ball with the Democrats, even as much as his inner circle and base seethe over it. Get real.

Him campaigning for Biden doesn't mean he doesn't take pointless digs at him. With what is at stake this sort of comment is not helpful. Voting is not about excitement it is about making sure the right person is elected. Let Trump get reelected and Gaza is wiped off the map permanently because Trump is truly the violent one

"Most important election of our life time" part 328764287435. Things get worse regardless of who wins. The only reason to vote Democratic is to stop Republicans, but Democrats (on here especially) are so condescending when people talk about their frustrations with Biden/Dems, it's hard to give a crap anymore. Gaza is basically flattened as is. Your boy sent emergency military aid so they can continue bombing/killing. But Bernie's the bad guy for calling it out? Gimme a break. Biden should be condemned for giving a blank check to an apartheid state.

The West Bank would be wiped out under Trump, not to mention an invasion of Mexico and who knows where else. It is not condescending to highlight what the alternative is. There is a very fine line to walk between criticism and encouraging people not to vote.

If Trump is reelected progressives will then criticize Democrats for not being able to impeach him out of office.

Not once in this interview does Sanders encourage people not to vote. He is suggesting Biden course correct in order to get people he desperately needs to win TO vote

The problem is there are a lot of those voters who are heavily antisemitic and will only support Biden if he goes full on anti-Israel. We've seen how some of these protestors attack Jewish owned businesses under the idea of supporting Palestine. With that said, a Trump re-election equals the true elimination of the Palestinian people because the far-right in Israel would have to green light to exterminate the Palestinian population through forced removal and outright death camps.

You are using faulty generalization to dismiss an entire group of people with very valid concerns.

[DrScholl]

It is though, because Biden has to keep track of all aspects of the base, and Bernie is the liaison for that. Not supposed to call a fart a rose.

And getting the right person elected means getting your comrades to arms, which works so much better when excited [negative or no]. If you miss this, you miss the point.

My point is that not every candidate is Obama and is going to inspire 2008 level excitement. The goal for Biden is to motivate people to vote for him based on the issues and his record, because that's the sort of candidate he is.

Okay now we're in Lalaland. There is not a block of antisemitic swing voters who heed what Bernard ing Sanders has to say about Joe Biden.

There are some fair antisemitic people on the far left and they aren't voting for Biden anyway. What exactly is Biden supposed to do on this issue as long as Hamas doesn't stand down? He has called out Israel's indiscriminate bombing.

You are using faulty generalization to dismiss an entire group of people with very valid concerns.

That's who the face of the pro-Palestinian movement is though. I'm not saying that everyone who supports Palestine is like this, but my point is that there are a number on the far left who want a Presidential candidate who is completely anti-Israel.

[Beet]

In my experience, the vast majority of people who want a cease-fire are not anti-Semitic. Animus towards Jewish people does not drive their views. They make a distinction between Jewish people and the Israeli state.

It is true, some of these people are anti-Zionist, in the sense that they want a secular, democratic state without any official religious markings in which Jews, Muslims, and Christians can all live together in the "Holy Land" with each group's rights guaranteed, and that such a state would bear the name "Palestine", but even these people are a minority, and what gives the issue real resonance is the centrist moderate group that wants to see a Two-State solution and is unhappy with the amount of Gazan civilian casualties that are currently ongoing, as well as upset that Biden supports Netanyahu even though the latter has obviously no commitment towards a Two-State solution.

The real anti-Semites are on the far right. IMO, scratch a far rightist, and there is a very high chance you will find that they do not consider Jews to be white, but because Jewish people can pass as white, they consider Jews to be "spies" who use their passing to try to undermine white society. Hence why you see people like Elon Musk liking an anti-Semitic tweet. They are being dragged into the far right. These are the real anti-Semites, people who dislike Jews as such.

[7,052,770]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

[Beet]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

I keep seeing this talking point, but there was only one cease-fire since Oct. 7, and it was only supposed to last for a week to begin with. What we are talking about is a permanent or indefinite cease-fire.

[7,052,770]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

I keep seeing this talking point, but there was only one cease-fire since Oct. 7, and it was only supposed to last for a week to begin with. What we are talking about is a permanent or indefinite cease-fire.

Hamas broke it after a couple days. They have proven over and over again that they can't be trusted to any type of ceasefire.

[Beet]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

I keep seeing this talking point, but there was only one cease-fire since Oct. 7, and it was only supposed to last for a week to begin with. What we are talking about is a permanent or indefinite cease-fire.

Hamas broke it after a couple days. They have proven over and over again that they can't be trusted to any type of ceasefire.

Most sources I see online says it broke down after negotiations to extend it failed. National Security Council John Kirby said the same thing. So I don't know where your claim is coming from.

[Devils30]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

These people protesting outside Jewish owned businesses are not average Americans with valid concerns, they are leftist thugs with an agenda. (Note I use the term leftist, liberals are much different).

Of course a ceasefire on paper sounds great, who wouldn't support the hostilities to end and to have a peaceful Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza with Israeli settlements gone. Problem is, most of these protestors support the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state and are backed by Arab/leftist academics. Of course they will not admit the slaughter of Israel's Jews is the goal but that is what inevitably happens.

I do think these leftist groups are headed toward some major confrontations with the Feds in the next decade that will result in significant prison time/deportations of non-US nationals. Hopefully Trump will not win but very few Americans will really care if he does and ends up kicking out Arab students who are part of this leftist movement. That said, it is just a matter of time before some people in higher places (think MidEast studies departments, nonprofits) find themselves in big trouble for giving money to Hamas/Hezbollah.

[7,052,770]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

I keep seeing this talking point, but there was only one cease-fire since Oct. 7, and it was only supposed to last for a week to begin with. What we are talking about is a permanent or indefinite cease-fire.

Hamas broke it after a couple days. They have proven over and over again that they can't be trusted to any type of ceasefire.

Most sources I see online says it broke down after negotiations to extend it failed. National Security Council John Kirby said the same thing. So I don't know where your claim is coming from.

A quick Google shows that the US position is that Hamas/Gaza is at fault for the ceasefire ending: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/blinken-hamas-israel-truce.html

Obviously pro-Hamas sources disagree, but what else can we expect from them?

[heatcharger]

I do think these leftist groups are headed toward some major confrontations with the Feds in the next decade that will result in significant prison time/deportations of non-US nationals. Hopefully Trump will not win but very few Americans will really care if he does and ends up kicking out Arab students who are part of this leftist movement. That said, it is just a matter of time before some people in higher places (think MidEast studies departments, nonprofits) find themselves in big trouble for giving money to Hamas/Hezbollah.

Devils30: Biden will win a boring re-election

Also Devils30: there are people on my side who I want deported

Something doesn’t add up bud. This coalition is bursting at the seams.

[Devils30]

I do think these leftist groups are headed toward some major confrontations with the Feds in the next decade that will result in significant prison time/deportations of non-US nationals. Hopefully Trump will not win but very few Americans will really care if he does and ends up kicking out Arab students who are part of this leftist movement. That said, it is just a matter of time before some people in higher places (think MidEast studies departments, nonprofits) find themselves in big trouble for giving money to Hamas/Hezbollah.

Devils30: Biden will win a boring re-election

Also Devils30: there are people on my side who I want deported

Something doesn’t add up bud. This coalition is bursting at the seams.

It absolutely is. This is why the Republicans should hardly despair if they lose the WH in 2024. The Dem coalition is going to be ripped apart by identity politics in 2028 should Biden win. If anything a Trump win might enable Dems to put together the anti-Trump coalition one last time in 2026-28. And yes, people on the Dems side in the next election who would be deported would not be actual Dem voters as they are non-citizens.

[Comrade Funk]

Some of the Biden hacks on here are more pro-Israel than most Republicans here.

[Beet]

The people who "want a ceasefire" are people who are only trying to look #cool and #concerned on social media. They don't realize that Biden already negotiated one, which Gaza agreed to and then broke, as they always do. (They also broke one on 10/7.)

It's totally fine to want peace over there - I do too - but thinking that yet another ceasefire will end any war other than the Gazans breaking it is a sign that a person honestly doesn't know about the previous ones.

I keep seeing this talking point, but there was only one cease-fire since Oct. 7, and it was only supposed to last for a week to begin with. What we are talking about is a permanent or indefinite cease-fire.

Hamas broke it after a couple days. They have proven over and over again that they can't be trusted to any type of ceasefire.

Most sources I see online says it broke down after negotiations to extend it failed. National Security Council John Kirby said the same thing. So I don't know where your claim is coming from.

A quick Google shows that the US position is that Hamas/Gaza is at fault for the ceasefire ending: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/blinken-hamas-israel-truce.html

Obviously pro-Hamas sources disagree, but what else can we expect from them?

That doesn't say Hamas broke it after 2 days. A quick Google search shows the attack that Blinken was referring to took place on Thursday, November 30, the day the cease-fire was supposed to expire. All indications are the cease fire worked for the bulk of its time period. It also resulted in many hostages freed. Hence, why we need a longer, indefinite one.

[heatcharger]

I do think these leftist groups are headed toward some major confrontations with the Feds in the next decade that will result in significant prison time/deportations of non-US nationals. Hopefully Trump will not win but very few Americans will really care if he does and ends up kicking out Arab students who are part of this leftist movement. That said, it is just a matter of time before some people in higher places (think MidEast studies departments, nonprofits) find themselves in big trouble for giving money to Hamas/Hezbollah.

Devils30: Biden will win a boring re-election

Also Devils30: there are people on my side who I want deported

Something doesn’t add up bud. This coalition is bursting at the seams.

It absolutely is. This is why the Republicans should hardly despair if they lose the WH in 2024. The Dem coalition is going to be ripped apart by identity politics in 2028 should Biden win. If anything a Trump win might enable Dems to put together the anti-Trump coalition one last time in 2026-28. And yes, people on the Dems side in the next election who would be deported would not be actual Dem voters as they are non-citizens.

It’s happening right now, in 2024. Hundreds of thousands of people were in DC this weekend protesting for Palestine, and every subsequent protest gets explicitly more anti-Biden by the week.

The DNC in Chicago this summer will be a show.

[Devils30]

Some of the Biden hacks on here are more pro-Israel than most Republicans here.

And this is why when you guys succeed in kicking moderate Dems out of the party you’ll have 36 senators, 175 reps and 15 Governors. But I’m sure the losing will be worth it! If Britain is any indication you won’t give a  **** for 12 years and then finally get it semi-together.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Seriously, to hell with this "excitement" bulls***. Roe was overturned because some were "unexcited" about Clinton in 2016. A vote is not supposed to be an expression of passion, it could be, but an unenthusiastic vote is as valid as a zealous vote. And that's why I hope Americans get over this and do what they did in 2022 and 2023 again.

[Devils30]

I do think these leftist groups are headed toward some major confrontations with the Feds in the next decade that will result in significant prison time/deportations of non-US nationals. Hopefully Trump will not win but very few Americans will really care if he does and ends up kicking out Arab students who are part of this leftist movement. That said, it is just a matter of time before some people in higher places (think MidEast studies departments, nonprofits) find themselves in big trouble for giving money to Hamas/Hezbollah.

Devils30: Biden will win a boring re-election

Also Devils30: there are people on my side who I want deported

Something doesn’t add up bud. This coalition is bursting at the seams.

It absolutely is. This is why the Republicans should hardly despair if they lose the WH in 2024. The Dem coalition is going to be ripped apart by identity politics in 2028 should Biden win. If anything a Trump win might enable Dems to put together the anti-Trump coalition one last time in 2026-28. And yes, people on the Dems side in the next election who would be deported would not be actual Dem voters as they are non-citizens.

It’s happening right now, in 2024. Hundreds of thousands of people were in DC this weekend protesting for Palestine, and every subsequent protest gets explicitly more anti-Biden by the week.

The DNC in Chicago this summer will be a show.

That crowd figure sounds a little bit like Trump’s exaggerations but yes the DNC seems like a real problem. They would have been better having it somewhere like Phoenix where at 112 degrees the protestors wouldn’t last long.

[Beet]

Some of the Biden hacks on here are more pro-Israel than most Republicans here.

And this is why when you guys succeed in kicking moderate Dems out of the party you’ll have 36 senators, 175 reps and 15 Governors. But I’m sure the losing will be worth it! If Britain is any indication you won’t give a  **** for 12 years and then finally get it semi-together.

No one wants to kick moderate Dems out of the party. All we want is for "the hostilities to end and to have a peaceful Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza with Israeli settlements gone." You yourself just articulated that position as a sensible one. But to get there, Biden needs to show he's willing to put pressure on Netanyahu to end the hostilities and support a two state solution first.