Which was the bigger HC during WW2: Japan or Italy?

[hangfan91]

Obviously Germany was the biggest HC of the axis with the holocaust and war crimes committed through Europe, but between Italy and Japan which do you think was the bigger HC?

Italy for its invasion of Ethiopia and Eastern Europe/greece or Japan for its actions in Asia?

[dead0man]

Japan, not close

[Progressive Pessimist]

Definitely Japan.

[Goldwater]

Japan was almost as bad as Germany.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

I'd argue that Japan was as worse as Germany if you consider the Second Sino Japanese War.

[Mr. Smith]

Japan and Germany both wanted war and went for it. Italy didn't, despite Mussolini.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Japan and Germany both wanted war and went for it. Italy didn't, despite Mussolini.

Mussolini wanted to retire after Hitler freed him from prison in 1943, but Hitler denied that.

[Alben Barkley]

Japan was arguably worse than Germany, let alone Italy.

[lfromnj]

Accidently voted for Italy(obviously Japan)

[CumbrianLefty]

Italy did some very bad stuff that is often overlooked, especially in Africa.

But still, they totally pale in comparison to Imperial Japan.

It says everything that *despite* the Holocaust, the question of which was worse out of Germany and Japan is still not totally clear cut.

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

Definitely Japan

[Xing]

Japan, but that doesn’t justify dropping the bombs.

[Battista Minola 1616]

If we want to be pedantic (or even opportunistic, but not necessarily: consider what this says about the amount of control Fascism had on the political system compared to Japanese ultranationalism) Italy spent around one third of WW2 helping the Allies fight Nazi Germany. That said, Mussolini was very bad but he does clear the exceptionally low bar of being better than the Imperial Aid Association.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Japan

[MABA 2020]

Worst to least worst

Germany
Japan
Italy

[ingemann]

If we want to be pedantic (or even opportunistic, but not necessarily: consider what this says about the amount of control Fascism had on the political system compared to Japanese ultranationalism) Italy spent around one third of WW2 helping the Allies fight Nazi Germany. That said, Mussolini was very bad but he does clear the exceptionally low bar of being better than the Imperial Aid Association.

When Italy changed side, the front lines in Italy stayed where they were. Italians fought for the Germans to last day of the war, and they fought better than ever for Berlin than they had done for Rome.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Easily Japan.

I have a story to share



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Todaro_(naval_officer)

On the night of 16 October 1940, during its first Atlantic patrol off the island of Madeira, Cappellini sighted the Belgian steamer Kabalo (5,186 tons), carrying aircraft spare parts, and after unsuccessfully firing three torpedoes, sank her with its deck gun. Afterwards, the submarine approached a lifeboat containing twenty-six survivors and towed it for four days towards the Azores; when the boat started sinking after being damaged by the heavy seas, on the fourth day, Todaro had the survivors taken aboard his submarine and proceeded to Salt Island, where they were safely landed in neutral territory. To a Belgian officer who expressed his surprise for his sinker's humanitarian initiative, Todaro replied "I am a seaman like you. I am convinced that in my place you would have done the same".

No Japanese person would've done this.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Japan, but that doesn’t justify dropping the bombs.

Agreed.

And to this date, the only country to have used the forbidden weapons are the United States, not the nazis, not Japan, not the USSR but the USA. Let that sink in. And even the claim that it was justified is ridicilous. The only reason it was done was to prevent communists from taking a hold over Japan, not to make Japan surrender more quickly or especially saving Japanese lives. That was never the motive. And the use of the bombs will ALWAYS make Truman one of the worst presidents ever.

Whoever ordered them or was in charge, is no better human than the fuhrer himself. Period. And that applies to people defending those actions as well.

[RilakkuMAGA]

Italy. Italy massacred a significantly larger % of its colonial conquests than Imperial Japan did - it's just that the Japanese got much farther and into much more territory than Italy.

[Antonio the Sixth]

One of the advantages of being a pathetic third-rate power is that you don't get to commit as many atrocities as the big boys. Fascist Italy did its share, of course, but even comparing it to Japan or Germany is ridiculous.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Japan, but that doesn’t justify dropping the bombs.

Agreed.

And to this date, the only country to have used the forbidden weapons are the United States, not the nazis, not Japan, not the USSR but the USA. Let that sink in. And even the claim that it was justified is ridicilous. The only reason it was done was to prevent communists from taking a hold over Japan, not to make Japan surrender more quickly or especially saving Japanese lives. That was never the motive. And the use of the bombs will ALWAYS make Truman one of the worst presidents ever.

Whoever ordered them or was in charge, is no better human than the fuhrer himself. Period. And that applies to people defending those actions as well.

Dropping the Nuclear Weapons was no where near as deadly as the vast majority of battles and operations during WW2. This point by you is actually beyond insane as no dropping the bomb did not make Truman as bad as Hitler and you have to be an insane person to think so.

Also, Japan outright rejected surrender before the first bomb so the point "they were about to surrender" is false

[Battista Minola 1616]

If we want to be pedantic (or even opportunistic, but not necessarily: consider what this says about the amount of control Fascism had on the political system compared to Japanese ultranationalism) Italy spent around one third of WW2 helping the Allies fight Nazi Germany. That said, Mussolini was very bad but he does clear the exceptionally low bar of being better than the Imperial Aid Association.

When Italy changed side, the front lines in Italy stayed where they were. Italians fought for the Germans to last day of the war, and they fought better than ever for Berlin than they had done for Rome.

What? Some Italians fought for Berlin to the last day of the war through the RSI, many more did not. Also I interpreted this thread as meaning "the Italian government" - as everyone always does for this sort of questions - and the legitimate Italian government signed an armistice in September 1943 and helped the Allies afterwards, which is my point.

[RilakkuMAGA]

It's also clear that although mostly very bad, Imperial Japan had some positive side-effects as well, such as helping demolish hideously cruel European empires across Asia, especially in Indonesia and India. Subhas Chandra Bose is revered in India for a reason.

Obviously, no such side-effects for fascist Italy, clearly a pure 100% negative.

[Alben Barkley]

Japan, but that doesn’t justify dropping the bombs.

Maybe not, but lots and lots of things justified dropping the bombs.

[Aurelius2]

Of course the bombs were justified, how is this still a topic of serious debate?