Cenk Uygur Becomes [Not Quite] The First Naturalized Citizen on a Presidential Ballot
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2023, 10:11:50 PM »

He gets 0.1%, and Biden loses the state by 30.

There might be some [minority voters] in states that matter. This doesn't even matter.

Isn't Uygur running in the presidential primary as a Democratic candidate, rather than being a third-party option? Obviously, he could eventually declare a general-election campaign as the latter, but so far there's no indication that he will ...

Naturalized citizens should have the same rights as every other citizen. If people want to elect such a person, it's their right to do so.

Out of curiosity, would you also favour lowering the age limit? Or perhaps repealing that amendment altogether?

if any particular challenger gets >20% of the primary vote against Biden

Doesn't his candidacy simply make this eventuality less likely, though? He's on the record as being a fan of Williamson's campaign, in addition to having stated his fears that the 2024 anti-Biden Democratic vote will end up getting split, thereby (unintentionally) helping him win the primary again ...
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2023, 10:26:29 AM »

Cenk is wasting his time. There's already a left candidate in the primary who is actually a citizen eligible to be president and his presence merely weakens her standing. There's also two 3rd party leftists in the general.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2023, 10:48:04 AM »

Listening to him, it sounds like that he isn't even sure that he is eligible, which is a problem.

Everything else he says makes sense.

The bottom line is that Biden shouldn't be running for one and one reason only and that is that Trump is crushing him in swing state polls. Biden has had extremely low approval ratings for a long long time. Biden's biggest faux pas is that he admitted that the only reason that he is running is because Trump is running.
I don't know if any Dem could beat Trump, which is why I hope that Trump is not the nominee.

Unfortunately, it looks like a Trump v Biden re-rerun.

No third party candidate will get 270 electoral votes.

edit: Wouldn't it make more sense for Democrats to focus on getting Trump off the ballot, rather than third parties or Democrats primarying Biden?
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2023, 01:47:38 PM »

No third-party candidate will get 270 electoral votes.

No third-party candidate will even receive a single electoral vote (barring faithless electors)—not Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., not Cornel West, not No Labels, not Jill Stein.

Wouldn't it make more sense for Democrats to focus on getting Trump off the ballot, rather than targeting third parties or the Democrats primarying Biden?

Sure, except for the fact that the former effort remains a total long-shot, faces extremely long odds, is of dubious legal validity, jeopardizes the veracity of their claims, and will never get past its eventual litigation in SCOTUS. It would further spark nationwide unrest and lead a legitimate chance of civil war in America, if one of the leading options in the world's greatest democratic exercise were to be left off the ballot.

On  the other hand, party operatives  stand  a pretty good chance  at  succeeding  if  they try to force  West, Stein, an independent moderate, etc.  off  the ballot  in  various states, which  could  very well  make or break  this upcoming election  for Biden, especially  in  the tightest battlegrounds.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2023, 02:25:03 PM »

No third-party candidate will get 270 electoral votes.

No third-party candidate will even receive a single electoral vote (barring faithless electors)—not Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., not Cornel West, not No Labels, not Jill Stein.

Wouldn't it make more sense for Democrats to focus on getting Trump off the ballot, rather than targeting third parties or the Democrats primarying Biden?

Sure, except for the fact that the former effort remains a total long-shot, faces extremely long odds, is of dubious legal validity, jeopardizes the veracity of their claims, and will never get past its eventual litigation in SCOTUS. It would further spark nationwide unrest and lead a legitimate chance of civil war in America, if one of the leading options in the world's greatest democratic exercise were to be left off the ballot.

On  the other hand, party operatives  stand  a pretty good chance  at  succeeding  if  they try to force  West, Stein, an independent moderate, etc.  off  the ballot  in  various states, which  could  very well  make or break  this upcoming election  for Biden, especially  in  the tightest battlegrounds.

Well, I plan to vote Blue no matter what because I live in the crucial swing state.
If those living in safe states (especially red ones) vote third party it won't hurt the Democrats one bit.
Third parties should focus on running candidates in safe states and districts. If they focused on more local elections, they might have more success. They only tend to anger the two major parties, they should realize they can't win.

Third parties don't need to be on the ballot in most states anyway, because most states allow for write ins. Also, I do think it makes more sense to vote third party than to not vote at all. Turnout is more of a problem than third parties.

Finally, why don't Manchin and Kennedy run in the Democratic primaries? That would make much more sense.
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2023, 02:34:50 PM »

Finally, why doesn't Kennedy run in the Democratic primaries? That would make a ton more sense.

He's already explained   why  he left: because  he felt like  he wasn't getting  a fair shake  from  the DNC, to  the point  where  the whole process  was  being rigged  against him.
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2023, 05:35:45 AM »

But than what about Manchin?
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2024, 01:08:34 PM »

La Riva was born in the US in 1954.
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