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Question: Does the crisis in Israel help or hurt Biden?
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2023, 07:45:35 PM »

I think it has the potential to affect Ukraine policy at least when it comes to foreign military aid allocations
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2023, 11:07:41 AM »

Depends on the outcome, which, may be outside the control of the US.

I would have that US Battleship knocking every Lebanese-Iranian trouble maker out of existence.

Biden has to be clinical and strong in the face of this massacre.

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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2023, 11:34:31 AM »

It all depends on how he handles it. President Biden makes few mistakes, and I expect him to solidify Jewish support. Hamas discredited itself with a sneak attack and hostage-taking.

Rally-'round-the-Flag events have helped great (Lincoln, FDR) and awful (Dubya) Preidents alike. 
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2023, 11:36:25 AM »

It's entirely too soon to say. So much can change in a year, especially with something this volatile.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2023, 02:27:18 PM »

Of course it hurts him and it's copium to suggest otherwise. Democrats are rightly or wrongly judged for the company they
keep(tlaib/Bush etc). He's lucky Trump is his opponent
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2023, 02:27:39 PM »

Depends on the outcome, which, may be outside the control of the US.

I would have that US Battleship knocking every Lebanese-Iranian trouble maker out of existence.

Biden has to be clinical and strong in the face of this massacre.



And what do you define as a 'troublemaker'? The entire Palestinian people?
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2023, 02:31:55 PM »

Even if it did Rs gave to win blue not red states it helps them in FL but beyond that no and this isn't 20o4 with Ariel Sharon v Arafat it will be short
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2023, 02:32:16 PM »

Inasmuch as the Tablet/WSJ stuff about Iranian spy rings within the administration is even partially true, hurts a lot and we're at the beginning of a new McCarthyist period. Inasmuch as this is not true, maybe hurts a little like the Afghanistan withdrawal did, but not terribly likely to be a general-election issue.
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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2023, 12:19:14 AM »

It’s just sh**tposting, but I’ve see leftist non-imperialist and tankie types suddenly praise Ukrainian support because 1) supposedly some of the military aid earmarked to Ukraine made its way to Hamas because of corruption and 2) any aid to Ukraine is less aid to Israel. So uh while that’s all ironic, maybe the reemergence of this conflict would sort of soften extremist opinions on the Ukraine conflict? Just an observation.
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2023, 12:25:07 AM »

Hurts a little because low info voters blame anything bad that happens in the world on the president
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2023, 12:37:43 AM »

The situation is developing rapidly, tough to say
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2023, 12:40:24 AM »

It depends on what happens next but a lot of Israel situation is pretty much baked in already.
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2023, 12:59:53 AM »

Of course it hurts him. But it might be too early to be deterministic.
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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2023, 04:34:44 AM »
« Edited: October 10, 2023, 04:42:54 AM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

As I said it helps Scott in FL, because Messianic Jews are in FL. However ,we aren't gonna sweep everything anyways but now with Kennedy and Cheney as running to right of Biden, Biden doesn't need 50 percentage pts to win red states it has very little effect in blue states because Casey, Slotkin, Baldwin are favs no matter what Big says and he still voted wrong in 20
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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2023, 05:43:34 AM »

Unfortunately for Trump, Biden made the wise decision.  It was really the only decision to make in this situation. 
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2023, 05:54:58 AM »

Trump and Rs seems stronger on natl security than Ds but Trump is still an indicted Felon, he wants to treat migrants as the same as Israel Fence but Latinos and Arabs and Asians flow into country.

Trump isn't gonna wipe away our problems with his 3B in income and he hasn't paid taxes as Conserv want to believe

But, what can NATO do, Palestine don't want troops in Israel, only Israeli with our weapons as well as Ukraine can fight Hamas, Iran and Russia
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2023, 06:05:17 AM »

Trump and Rs seems stronger on natl security than Ds but Trump is still an indicted Felon, he wants to treat migrants as the same as Israel Fence but Latinos and Arabs and Asians flow into country.

Trump isn't gonna wipe away our problems with his 3B in income and he hasn't paid taxes as Conserv want to believe

But, what can NATO do, Palestine don't want troops in Israel, only Israeli with our weapons as well as Ukraine can fight Hamas, Iran and Russia

I don't know what the F your talking about.  Trump isn't a convicted felon.  Anyone that told you he was is retard. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2023, 06:44:12 AM »
« Edited: October 10, 2023, 06:51:45 AM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2023, 07:14:09 PM »

Biden has been very present during the crisis. He's given multiple televised speeches, struck a reasonable position on supporting Israel while advocating for the safety of civilians, provided immediate military aid. I don't know if he'll get a bump from this, but he's handled the crisis well all things considered.
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2023, 06:18:31 PM »

As I said it helps Scott in FL, because Messianic Jews are in FL. However ,we aren't gonna sweep everything anyways but now with Kennedy and Cheney as running to right of Biden, Biden doesn't need 50 percentage pts to win red states it has very little effect in blue states because Casey, Slotkin, Baldwin are favs no matter what Big says and he still voted wrong in 20

"Messianic Jew" is an oxymoron. To accept Jesus as Lord and Savior makes one a Christian. Some Christins join this movement so that they can discover the Jewish roots of Christianity. They are still Christians unless they become fully Jewish, which means that they abandon Jesus for honest-to-HaShem Judaism.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2023, 06:22:24 PM »

Lets use some data and maps:

https://www.prri.org/spotlight/factoring-the-muslim-vote-into-american-elections/

Most of the muslim vote is concentrated in:

San Fransisco
Detroit
Greater New York City
Greater Washington D.C.

Muslims outnumber Jews in:
Michigan
Illinois
Virginia

Jews outnumber Muslims in:
California
Florida
New York
Nevada
New Jersey
Pennsylvania

So basically Michigan vs Pennsylvania in the electoral college.

I don't think it's fair to assume that American Muslims somehow sympathize with Hamas' terrorist actions. They're probably just as mortified as everyone else. It's a counterproductive incident even if you favor a two-state solution and are critical of Israel.

I concur. Most Muslims want nothing to do with a criminal cause, including terrorism. It's as with most German-Americans hating neo-Nazis.

Many Muslims are not Arabs.
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2023, 10:13:12 PM »

I mean the one thing every politician in America besides a few democratic socialist cranks can agree on is devotion to Israel. To hurt Biden there would have to be some wedge but I don’t anticipate any Republican criticizing his support for Israel and the idea that you could be more pro Israel than the current democratic establishment is laughable.
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2023, 10:14:14 PM »

The situation is developing rapidly, tough to say
It is helping him massively, voters and donors care more about this than the more important Democratic victories regarding the Speakership.
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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2023, 06:21:38 AM »

No it doesn't except FL with Messianic Jews that's why TX is being targeted instead with Colin ALLRED instead of FLORIDA, I haven't donated to Powell but have to Brown and ALLRED and will to GALLEGO
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2023, 05:54:11 PM »

Lets use some data and maps:

https://www.prri.org/spotlight/factoring-the-muslim-vote-into-american-elections/

Most of the muslim vote is concentrated in:

San Fransisco
Detroit
Greater New York City
Greater Washington D.C.

Muslims outnumber Jews in:
Michigan
Illinois
Virginia

Jews outnumber Muslims in:
California
Florida
New York
Nevada
New Jersey
Pennsylvania

So basically Michigan vs Pennsylvania in the electoral college.

I don't think it's fair to assume that American Muslims somehow sympathize with Hamas' terrorist actions. They're probably just as mortified as everyone else. It's a counterproductive incident even if you favor a two-state solution and are critical of Israel.

I concur. Most Muslims want nothing to do with a criminal cause, including terrorism. It's as with most German-Americans hating neo-Nazis.

Many Muslims are not Arabs.

Even then, Arab-Muslims probably aren't full-throated backers of Hamas, even if they are pro-Palestine.
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