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« Reply #2000 on: October 18, 2023, 09:34:08 AM »

This is from a Jordan ally, btw:


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« Reply #2001 on: October 18, 2023, 09:35:34 AM »

This is from a Jordan ally, btw:


Jordan insteads stands for the status-quo. Obstruction and hyperpartisanship. No, thanks.
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« Reply #2002 on: October 18, 2023, 09:36:00 AM »

Yeah, the language is just shy of “Trust the Plan”.

Also - Jordan’s team seem to be genuinely worried that the motion to empower McHenry is going to end his chances:
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« Reply #2003 on: October 18, 2023, 09:38:59 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.
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« Reply #2004 on: October 18, 2023, 09:43:49 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

As long as Jordan is still trying to win they will 100% need Democratic votes. And so far the Dems seem open to the idea.
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« Reply #2005 on: October 18, 2023, 09:47:06 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

If it's with Dem votes, most likely it'll be limited to just allowing McHenry to bring spending bills to a floor vote (along with the usual voting for an actual Speaker) and pretty much nothing else.  That way a shutdown can be avoided.

This is kinda ideal for Democrats since it shuts down a lot of the partisan stuff the Republicans were trying under McCarthy.
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« Reply #2006 on: October 18, 2023, 09:51:53 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.
McHenry would be on thin ice with Republicans if he's dependent on Democrat votes.

In practice I can envision they would call him a Democrat sock-puppet day and night.
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« Reply #2007 on: October 18, 2023, 10:03:21 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

If it's with Dem votes, most likely it'll be limited to just allowing McHenry to bring spending bills to a floor vote (along with the usual voting for an actual Speaker) and pretty much nothing else.  That way a shutdown can be avoided.

This is kinda ideal for Democrats since it shuts down a lot of the partisan stuff the Republicans were trying under McCarthy.
They would need McHenry to sacrifice his political career.

Right now he has gained a lot of good will by simply being an honest referee, that would flip instantly the moment he chooses sides or being supported by a side.
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« Reply #2008 on: October 18, 2023, 10:09:07 AM »



Would definitely need Dem votes because I can't imagine Jordan allies would go along with this. 
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« Reply #2009 on: October 18, 2023, 10:12:50 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

As long as Jordan is still trying to win they will 100% need Democratic votes. And so far the Dems seem open to the idea.

Democratic support was preconditioned on major concessions.  So far, Republicans have offered none, much less significant ones and so there is no reason for Democrats to vote to empower McHenry right now.
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« Reply #2010 on: October 18, 2023, 10:14:04 AM »


Would definitely need Dem votes because I can't imagine Jordan allies would go along with this. 

And I doubt they will, considering McHenry's first act was to kick Pelosi out of her office while she was attending a funeral.
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« Reply #2011 on: October 18, 2023, 10:16:06 AM »

Since it worked yesterday (and HOW):

All I know is that they better get this wrapped up before the Astros play tonight. 
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« Reply #2012 on: October 18, 2023, 10:23:39 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

As long as Jordan is still trying to win they will 100% need Democratic votes. And so far the Dems seem open to the idea.

Democratic support was preconditioned on major concessions.  So far, Republicans have offered none, much less significant ones and so there is no reason for Democrats to vote to empower McHenry right now.
Right. Hopefully they don't.
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« Reply #2013 on: October 18, 2023, 10:24:27 AM »

Reminder Here is the order of Defectors alphabetically from last time. There are expected to be more, perhaps cause Jordan is viewed to be DOA, perhaps cause Jordan has reopened the rift between him and Scalise.

Bacon, Don, NE-02
Buck, Ken, CO-04
Chavez-DeRemer, Lori, OR-05
D'Esposito, Anthony, NY-04
Diaz-Balart, Mario, FL-26
Ellzey, Jake, TX-06
Garbarino, Andrew, NY-02
Gimenez, Carlos, FL-28
Gonzales, Tony, TX-23
Granger, Kay, TX-12
James, John, MI-10
Kelly, Mike, PA-16
Kiggans, Jen, VA-02
LaLota, Nick, NY-01
LaMalfa, Doug, CA-01 (should flip to Jordan)
Lawler, Mike, NY-17
Rutherford, John, FL-05
Simpson, Mike, ID-02
Spartz, Victoria, IN-05
Womack, Steve, AR-03

Miller-Meeks should be a guaranteed flip to No.

Almost half of the list can be described as 'frontline' congressmen, using a generous definition and grouping. Therefore, I would keep an eye on people like Ciscomani, Duarte, Fitzpatrick, Kean, and Valadao.
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« Reply #2014 on: October 18, 2023, 10:25:56 AM »

Something smart politicians understand which many here may miss is that incumbent Republicans like Kean and Fitzpatrick can’t win re-election without the votes of at least some people who want to see Jim Jordan as Speaker and Donald Trump as President. They don’t want him to ultimately win but they can’t entirely alienate their own party or they’re doomed even in a general election against unified Democratic opposition.

Don Bacon is also in this group but seems motivated mostly by personal animosity rather than re-election.
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« Reply #2015 on: October 18, 2023, 10:29:17 AM »


Wagner on the No list?
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« Reply #2016 on: October 18, 2023, 10:30:04 AM »

Yeah, I think it is far from a given that they can pass a motion to empower McHenry without Democratic votes.

As long as Jordan is still trying to win they will 100% need Democratic votes. And so far the Dems seem open to the idea.

Democratic support was preconditioned on major concessions.  So far, Republicans have offered none, much less significant ones and so there is no reason for Democrats to vote to empower McHenry right now.
Right. Hopefully they don't.

The way the Dems are selling this is empowering him in a limited fashion, with only the most necessary of stuff like spending bills. Which would mean no GOP red meat could come from the committees until there is an actual speaker, but there can be things like Ukraine money. Which at least from my perspective, would be no different in outcomes from a coalition, given the state of the parties, just the committees would change hands rather than roadblocked.

The main issue with this idea is probably the GOP side has a different idea of the powers they want to give to McHenry.
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« Reply #2017 on: October 18, 2023, 10:43:22 AM »

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GOP representative thinks Jim Jordan "deserves more time to unify the conference."
From CNN's Annie Grayer

GOP Rep. Dusty Johnson said he doesn't think now is the right time to try and empower Patrick McHenry.

"I don't know that it's ripe," Johnson said of the efforts to expand McHenry's powers.

Johnson said, "I think Jim Jordan deserves more time to unify the conference."


"More time" ?
Are they kidding?
The GOP House conference has been playing their games for two weeks. This is insane.
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« Reply #2018 on: October 18, 2023, 10:47:07 AM »

Is there a Dem Rep that is not in the House chamber today?
The Call Of The House is showing someone missing.
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« Reply #2019 on: October 18, 2023, 10:48:24 AM »

Why can cspan only show the house chamber in full when there isn't a speaker?
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« Reply #2020 on: October 18, 2023, 10:51:35 AM »

Why can cspan only show the house chamber in full when there isn't a speaker?

Speaker gets to control camera access; none of them have allowed C-SPAN or any other network to bring and use their own cameras, instead making them use the House-operated camera setup.
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« Reply #2021 on: October 18, 2023, 10:55:20 AM »

Kinzinger brings up a good point on CNN just now - even if we have a temporary speaker McHenry until, say, January 1, then what? We're supposed to believe GOP will get themselves together by then?
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« Reply #2022 on: October 18, 2023, 10:55:48 AM »

Is there a Dem Rep that is not in the House chamber today?
The Call Of The House is showing someone missing.

Donald Payne hasn't voted, not sure why.
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« Reply #2023 on: October 18, 2023, 10:58:01 AM »

Important and constitutional crisis-inducing point: a motion to empower McHenry implies we know what McHenry’s powers are. McCarthy has just publicly gone on record saying he believes McHenry has the full power to “carry on the continuity of government.” Any debate over this is going to come down to sheer power.
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« Reply #2024 on: October 18, 2023, 10:58:07 AM »

Is there a Dem Rep that is not in the House chamber today?
The Call Of The House is showing someone missing.

Donald Payne hasn't voted, not sure why.

Strange. Anyone know ...
But is he present in the chamber?
And if so, will he be allowed to vote?

(Without him, it seems the GOP still need 217 anyway.)
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