House GOP in disarray.

[Хahar 🤔]

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch because this kind of thing has backfired on Democrats before but...

Congrats to the next next Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries (2025-)

Jim Jordan will deliver Democrats their biggest House majority since 2019

Nobody in a presidential election year will be voting on the basis of their opinion of congressional leadership.

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch because this kind of thing has backfired on Democrats before but...

Congrats to the next next Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries (2025-)

Jim Jordan will deliver Democrats their biggest House majority since 2019

Nobody in a presidential election year will be voting on the basis of their opinion of congressional leadership.

When that congressional leadership is comprised of Trump acolytes who have regularly done Trump's bidding, they absolutely will. Especially when that leadership has shown more interest in self aggrandizing than actually governing. They can't run on a "let's deliver for the American people!" message after this debacle.

[Хahar 🤔]

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch because this kind of thing has backfired on Democrats before but...

Congrats to the next next Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries (2025-)

Jim Jordan will deliver Democrats their biggest House majority since 2019

Nobody in a presidential election year will be voting on the basis of their opinion of congressional leadership.

When that congressional leadership is comprised of Trump acolytes who have regularly done Trump's bidding, they absolutely will. Especially when that leadership has shown more interest in self aggrandizing than actually governing. They can't run on a "let's deliver for the American people!" message after this debacle.

People who vote for Republican congressional candidates in 2024 will do so because they want a Republican majority to work with a Republican president to deliver a Republican agenda. If Hakeem Jeffries is Speaker in two years, that will be because Joe Biden won re-election. If he is not, that will be because Biden did not. There is nothing more to it than that. What congressional Republicans do is irrelevant in that regard.

[Harlow]

Looks like Jim has this.

Not sure where you’re getting that idea. He’s still got a long way to go before this gets to a floor vote (if it ever does).

What do you mean? Jordan is bringing this to a floor vote tomorrow.

[Spectator]

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch because this kind of thing has backfired on Democrats before but...

Congrats to the next next Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries (2025-)

Jim Jordan will deliver Democrats their biggest House majority since 2019

Nobody in a presidential election year will be voting on the basis of their opinion of congressional leadership.

When that congressional leadership is comprised of Trump acolytes who have regularly done Trump's bidding, they absolutely will. Especially when that leadership has shown more interest in self aggrandizing than actually governing. They can't run on a "let's deliver for the American people!" message after this debacle.

People who vote for Republican congressional candidates in 2024 will do so because they want a Republican majority to work with a Republican president to deliver a Republican agenda. If Hakeem Jeffries is Speaker in two years, that will be because Joe Biden won re-election. If he is not, that will be because Biden did not. There is nothing more to it than that. What congressional Republicans do is irrelevant in that regard.

There exists a small chance that Trump narrowly wins while Democrats narrowly take the House. Not extremely likely, but not insignificant.

[wbrocks67]

Well for Democrats, it certainly makes the message clearer - whether it's House or Presidential, we have election deniers at the top of leadership. A reason to not split your ticket; Jordan and Trump are one in the same.

It's just truly embarassing if so-called "moderates" like Fitzpatrick end up voting for Jordan; it's not a sustainable vote.

[kyc0705]

Biden-district Republicans are uniquely vulnerable to being tied to Jordan in ads targeted at the small handful of swing voters keeping them in Congress, but writ large, let's not pretend that Republican voters in 2022 were casting their ballots for a party led by the ghost of Nelson Rockefeller.

[Harlow]

This is... something.

https://twitter.com/RepSpartz/status/1714042364849774619?s=20

I hate to remind Kevin, but we fought a war not to have kings with successors. I am willing to give Jim another chance and assess his wisdom of governing to allow conference, not floor, deliberation on his nomination to proceed tomorrow as he promised during the conference debate.

I would also like to remind Jim that Republicans are not sheep and will refuse to support him if he will try to use the same McCarthy intimidation techniques on members on the floor, even if I have to run again, so McCarthy and his friends have a chance to primary me.

[Roll Roons]

I'm convinced Spartz is not entirely there mentally.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Most American's don't pay attention to house dynamics especially not a year before the election. Its unlikely this has a big impact for the 2024 general election, although I could see it shaping up the primaries.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Bacon is also a no

[Arizona Iced Tea]

If Jim Jordan ends up Speaker then this whole episode was a mistake on the part of the Democrats. Jim Jordan is an absolute disaster. Even if he only lasts a few weeks before being torpedoed by his own party, I don't see what was gained from this.

Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with this. Republicans chose to bend the knee to the crazies, the crazies removed McCarthy, now the crazies are the ones calling the shots. Democrats do not have any obligation to help Republicans get their sh*t together. If they refuse to govern like adults, then hopefully the voters will take the majority away from them and give it back to the party that actually wants to govern.

96% of the votes to vacate McCarthy were cast by Democrats.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

Bacon is also a no

Bacon would like to be re-elected.

I don't think Jordan is, or will be, in a position where he can make it worthwhile for Biden-district R's to lose their seats - and that's what voting for him will be for most of them.

[Darthpi - Crush the Oligarchy]

If Jim Jordan ends up Speaker then this whole episode was a mistake on the part of the Democrats. Jim Jordan is an absolute disaster. Even if he only lasts a few weeks before being torpedoed by his own party, I don't see what was gained from this.

Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with this. Republicans chose to bend the knee to the crazies, the crazies removed McCarthy, now the crazies are the ones calling the shots. Democrats do not have any obligation to help Republicans get their sh*t together. If they refuse to govern like adults, then hopefully the voters will take the majority away from them and give it back to the party that actually wants to govern.

96% of the votes to vacate McCarthy were cast by Democrats.

He was a horrendous Speaker and did everything he could to lose the job. Dems were entirely right to vote him out when he refused to make any sort of actual legislative or even procedural commitments to them in exchange for their support.

If Jordan somehow gets the votes then yes, he will be more annoying in terms of press releases coming out of the Speaker's office, but he genuinely will not be any worse in terms of governing, because McCarthy was already complete garbage at that.

[Abolish ICE]

Lawler is a yes, but Gimenez is a no. 

Womack + Gimenez + Bacon makes 3 No votes

[Hindsight was 2020]

Lawler is a yes, but Gimenez is a no. 

Womack + Gimenez + Bacon makes 3 No votes

We’re already at 4 because you forgot Spartz as seen above

[Reactionary Libertarian]

I'm convinced Spartz is not entirely there mentally.

Isn’t Spartz the one who was crying in the House floor about spending?

[Darthpi - Crush the Oligarchy]

https://twitter.com/haleytalbotcnn/status/1714052488863580515

Talbot's most recent total suggests Jordan probably still isn't there, but it's definitely going to be closer than it should be.

[Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu]

I have it on good authority (a close friend who lives in Spartz's district and whose father is a high-ranked Indiana state civil servant with working relationships with a lot of INGOP bigwigs) that Spartz is unusually ignorant or incurious on top of all the other issues with her people have mentioned. Things I have heard about Spartz from this friend or her father (direct quotes since this is all from text messages) include "she's an idiot," "she's like a bumbling henchman," "I genuinely don’t know how she scraped together two brain cells to run with," "I have no idea if she knows what the bills mean that she presents," “I would say AOC is the stupidest person in Congress [N.B. my friend's father is very right-wing] except Victoria Spartz is stupider," and "she is by all accounts too dumb to live." (ETA: she adds, quoting her father, "One of the former state senate staffers who came to work for me said that it felt like some kind of crime against Hoosiers to let her into the state legislature, and that was before her time in Congress, when she was first elected.”)

[Progressive Pessimist]

It would be kind of rich for Biden district "moderates" to run against Democrats for ousting McCarthy and indirectly leading to Speaker Jordan when the vast amount of them look poised to put him in thst position in the first place.

"Look What You Made Me Do" is one of Taylor Swift's most derided songs for a reason. It is not a relatable sentiment.

[Yoda]

I hope those Biden district Republicans enjoyed it while it lasted.

Yeh, it's gonna be a lot of fun when Jordan, as the sitting House Speaker, is forced to testify under oath at trump's Jan 6th trial come March.

The entire House republican caucus is stepping on a rake with this.

[Harlow]

"Look What You Made Me Do" is one of Taylor Swift's most derided songs for a reason. It is not a relatable sentiment.

Well it's also because it sounds like crap.

[Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu]

"Look What You Made Me Do" is one of Taylor Swift's most derided songs for a reason. It is not a relatable sentiment.

Well it's also because it sounds like crap.

Another thing it has in common with the kinds of ads House Republicans run, although unlike "Look What You Made Me Do" I highly doubt "thank you, Debbie Spend-It-Now!" or anything where you have to listen to Louie Gohmert would sound any better live.

[GeorgiaModerate]

If Jim Jordan ends up Speaker then this whole episode was a mistake on the part of the Democrats. Jim Jordan is an absolute disaster. Even if he only lasts a few weeks before being torpedoed by his own party, I don't see what was gained from this.

Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with this. Republicans chose to bend the knee to the crazies, the crazies removed McCarthy, now the crazies are the ones calling the shots. Democrats do not have any obligation to help Republicans get their sh*t together. If they refuse to govern like adults, then hopefully the voters will take the majority away from them and give it back to the party that actually wants to govern.

96% of the votes to vacate McCarthy were cast by Democrats.

So what? How many Republican votes were there for Hakeem Jeffries?

Don’t try to blame Democrats for Republican dysfunction. If you want to be a majority party, then act like a majority. The Democrats certainly never had such problems with exactly the same size majority in the previous Congress.

And don’t try to blame Democrats for lack of bipartisanship. They’re perfectly willing to be bipartisan here; the Republicans aren’t. Bipartisanship means both sides get something they want. It doesn’t mean that one side rolls over and saves the other from its own incompetence with nothing in return.

[beaver2.0]

Brad Sherman raises the idea of Speaker G.W. Bush.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brittanylewis/2023/10/16/house-democratic-lawmaker-floats-george-w-bush-for-speaker-of-the-house