Opinion of Vaush (Political Streamer)

[Hindsight was 2020]

Seeing the Destiny thread inspired me to ask what the forums thoughts are on maybe one of if not the most polarizing (for those that know him that is lol) political streamers. Vaush is leftist political streamer who like Destiny gets into hot water among leftist people (unlike Destiny it’s not for right wing beliefs as it is for mainstream lib beliefs like “vote blue no matter who” along with edgy humor). He also has been known for his clashes with people like Sargon, Contrapoints, and recently TYT. He can tend to be really hotheaded and combative with his arguments which tend to also lead to his dislike amongst people. Though he is also has been effective in moving people over to the left especially from the incel crowd.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

I don't pay close attention to him but I have yet to see anything objectional about him, if I ever see someone throwing a hissy fit about him it's usually because he said something along the lines of either "white straight cis men are not evil" or "Mao was bad", and have yet to hear a single complaint about him that I found valid. So FF.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

[Hindsight was 2020]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

Shaun also falls into this category. Like man talk about a dude who’s YouTube and twitter political analysis are just night and day

[PSOL]

Perhaps the worst liberal commentator for reasons that are very self-evident. Anyone still defending that trash is messed up in the head.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

Shaun also falls into this category. Like man talk about a dude who’s YouTube and twitter political analysis are just night and day

Yeah, definitely. And of course PSLOL above proves my point yet again.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

To elaborate on my point above, I have yet to see a coherent criticism of him from anyone outside of the following groups:

-Right-winger
-Tankie
-Hyper-wokester
-Knee-jerk Greenwald-style contrarian

[Hindsight was 2020]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

Shaun also falls into this category. Like man talk about a dude who’s YouTube and twitter political analysis are just night and day

Yeah, definitely. And of course PSLOL above proves my point yet again.

On a day he (PSOL) was openly defending Stalin no less lol

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

I don't pay close attention to him but I have yet to see anything objectional about him, if I ever see someone throwing a hissy fit about him it's usually because he said something along the lines of either "white straight cis men are not evil" or "Mao was bad", and have yet to hear a single complaint about him that I found valid. So FF.

FWIW, I'll note that I've heard him make the exact same point I did about Stalin, Mao etc. not being leftists. Make of that what you will.

[PSOL]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

Shaun also falls into this category. Like man talk about a dude who’s YouTube and twitter political analysis are just night and day

Yeah, definitely. And of course PSLOL above proves my point yet again.

On a day he (PSOL) was openly defending Stalin no less lol

I suggest all of you reconsider support for the greatest loser in streaming since EPD4555. Don’t defend losers.

[Hindsight was 2020]

FF. Can be a bit (well, a lot) of a boisterous dumbass dudebro sometimes, but when the chips are down he's always a voice of reason and sound political analysis. I've long said that support for Ukraine is the great moral litmus test for the modern left, and Vaush is basically the only major leftist commentator who passed it with flying colors.

There are totally valid criticisms to make of Vaush, of course, but I've noticed a pattern that the people who are obsessed with hating him tend to be the absolute bottom of the barrel morally and intellectually. Even with people who used to make good content, like Contrapoints or Ana Kasparian, the moment they start going after him correlates with a massive drop in the quality of their political analysis. Not sure what to make of this, since there's a lot of his takes and mannerisms that annoy me too. He just seems to have an uncanny ability to trigger the worst people.

Shaun also falls into this category. Like man talk about a dude who’s YouTube and twitter political analysis are just night and day

Yeah, definitely. And of course PSLOL above proves my point yet again.

On a day he (PSOL) was openly defending Stalin no less lol

I suggest all of you reconsider support for the greatest loser in streaming since EPD4555. Don’t defend losers.

Considering the type of people you dub as “winners” are normally trash like CTH or from one of the threads you listed above Richard Wolff, I’d say your judgement of who is a “loser” is kinda skewed

[WalterWhite]

I suggest all of you reconsider support for the greatest loser in streaming since EPD4555. Don’t defend losers.

Unlike EDP445, Vaush is not a child predator.

[WalterWhite]

I do not care particularly much for him, but apparently he is getting some amount of flack amongst "leftists" (more like tankies) for just defending Ukraine. The War in Ukraine has really shown the divide between actual anti-imperialists (who understand that Russia is exerting a blatantly imperialist foreign policy over Ukraine) and anti-Americans (who believe that the United States is the only imperial power in the world and that Russia is justified in invading Ukraine).

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Noxious creep and actual sex pest with delusions of grandeur.

[DaleCooper]

Everything I have read about him makes him seem like a catastrophically embarrassing character. Very concerning that people waste their time watching content like this.

[KaiserDave]

All Twitch political streamers should be jailed regardless of tendency.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

HP due to his opinions on age of consent and him making a moral equivalence between buying CP and buying a phone

[Crumpets]

I don't think I've ever watched one of his videos beyond one on another channel where he was one of many guests. The only exposure I've had at all to him beyond this was the recent criticism from Contrapoints, which seemed reasonable, specific, and strong enough that it made me not want to get into Vaush enough to binge his videos if I ever did decide to check them out. So, lean HP, but not enough info to say with confidence.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

I don't think I've ever watched one of his videos beyond one on another channel where he was one of many guests. The only exposure I've had at all to him beyond this was the recent criticism from Contrapoints, which seemed reasonable, specific, and strong enough that it made me not want to get into Vaush enough to binge his videos if I ever did decide to check them out. So, lean HP, but not enough info to say with confidence.

I was following this drama when it happened and her presentation of it is... not exactly fair and balanced, but that aside, didn't the way she brought it up out of nowhere strike you as jarring and out of place? Like, just derailing a whole video (which was frankly already far less engaging or insightful than her past work, but oh well, she's been through a lot) to randomly bring up this one guy she had a beef with a year ago, in a way that doesn't really add to her point in any meaningful way? It pretty clearly came off as score-settling to me, though maybe not if you don't know the context.

[Mr. Smith]

For a streamer, he's good. But he's still a streamer.

[E-Dawg]

HP due to his opinions on age of consent and him making a moral equivalence between buying CP and buying a phone

Alright, I don't particularly like Vaush, but:

1: His view on age of consent was that it should be 18, but that under socialism an argument could maybe be made for lowering it to 16 (it is 16 in a lot of US states, so while I disagree with it being that low, it's not exactly a radical view). So his view can be summed up as that the age of consent should be 18, but that under his ideal socialist utopia it could maybe be lowered to what it already is in like half of US states due to power dynamics apparently not being as bad. I'm not a socialist and I support the age of consent being 18, so I completely disagree with this view. But people seem to be under the impression that his view on this is much worse than it actually is, and his view on this is literally better than the actual law is in every US state where the age of consent is already 16 or 17.

2: As for the cp thing, he was making a purposely provocative argument with the point that both cp and child labor is bad. It was an anti-child labor argument, and people just cut him out of context to make it look like the argument was instead a pro-cp one. It was still an extremely optically terrible and dumb argument to make, but he is not pro-cp in any way.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

HP due to his opinions on age of consent and him making a moral equivalence between buying CP and buying a phone

Alright, I don't particularly like Vaush, but:

1: His view on age of consent was that it should be 18, but that under socialism an argument could maybe be made for lowering it to 16 (it is 16 in a lot of US states, so while I disagree with it being that low, it's not exactly a radical view). So his view can be summed up as that the age of consent should be 18, but that under his ideal socialist utopia it could maybe be lowered to what it already is in like half of US states due to power dynamics apparently not being as bad. I'm not a socialist and I support the age of consent being 18, so I completely disagree with this view. But people seem to be under the impression that his view on this is much worse than it actually is, and his view on this is literally better than the actual law is in every US state where the age of consent is already 16 or 17.

2: As for the cp thing, he was making a purposely provocative argument with the point that both cp and child labor is bad. It was an anti-child labor argument, and people just cut him out of context to make it look like the argument was instead a pro-cp one. It was still an extremely optically terrible and dumb argument to make, but he is not pro-cp in any way.

I never said he was pro-cp, I said he morally equivocated buying a phone and buying CP, which he ABSOLUTELY did. That was the whole point of that argument.

[E-Dawg]

I never said he was pro-cp, I said he morally equivocated buying a phone and buying CP, which he ABSOLUTELY did. That was the whole point of that argument.

Fair enough, I'll admit that I drew an implication from what you said that you did not intend. The argument he made certainly was dumb.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

I never said he was pro-cp, I said he morally equivocated buying a phone and buying CP, which he ABSOLUTELY did. That was the whole point of that argument.

Fair enough, I'll admit that I drew an implication from what you said that you did not intend. The argument he made certainly was dumb.

Yeah. and considering he's literally bought a phone and doesn't make a big deal of people buying phones that does put into question the logical result of his argument.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

FF, but mainly driven by a sort of absence of good enough reasons to vote HP for him as a whole.