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Chuck Hagel 08
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« on: April 21, 2007, 06:37:51 PM »

Okay, let's say you have two candidates:

The first candidate is a moderate southern democrat. He has been a congressman, senator, and vice-president for 25 years. His party is the incumbent party, during which the president was impeached but found innocent by the Senate. He nominates a moderate Jewish senator from the northeast as his running mate.

The second candidate is a far-right Republican from Texas. He has been governor for only 6 years, and his father was a controversial former President. He is essentially the result of nepotism. He nominates an ailing crony from Wyoming as his running mate.

Would you believe me if I were to tell you that the second ticket won? How did Al Gore do so badly? I'm not advocating Al Gore or anything, but I'm just wondering how this happened.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 07:24:48 PM »

And of course had all the votes been counted, the first candidate would have won. Smiley

Even if that were true, why would it have been close in the first place?
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 07:26:28 PM »

George W. Bush is not far-right. If you ignore his stance on social issues (which is, in my opinion, more populist than anything), he's not a conservative at all (I'd call him something like moderate christian socialist).

- He supported expanding Medicare to include prescription drug coverage.
- He oversaw the fastest increase in non-defense spending since the Johnson administration.
- He has, for during his first six years in office, not vetoed a single spending bill, including some simply outrageous ones.
- He supports spending countless billions of dollars in pork-barrel spending (the fact that many so-called conservatives do so does not make this conservative, it makes them assholes - just as it does on their counterparts on the left; both should be shot on general principle.).
- He supports the existence of all of the following: the Department of Education (not to mention Public Schools), mandatory Social Security payments, Medicare, Medicaid, and most welfare programs. Any "Far-right" candidate would have to oppose most or all of these.

Of course, I'm a "radical liberal conservative" (or is it "Radical conservative liberal"? or just "right-libertarian"?) so my views may be skewed somewhat.

And of course, Gore isn't exactly a moderate either, he's just center-left on some issues and radical-left on others (like the environment). 

And then, some so-called "liberals" are really socialist-populists, like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman (supporting morals regulations on video games...)

I know that in reality, Bush is a populist, but his public perception was a far-rght conservative.
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