Hypothetical matchup: Joe Biden (D, inc.) vs. Vivek Ramaswamy (R)

[7,052,770]

Why would anyone expect Trump to endorse him? Trump will actively try to sabotage the nominee if he somehow loses it, especially if some kind of RNC shenanigans deny it to him.

[SN2903]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

[Ferguson97]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Why is it that you guys get to go on and on about how terrible Democrats are, but the second someone gives you a taste of your own medicine, you pitch a fit?

You can dish it, but you can't take it.

[DaleCooper]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Oh shut up.

First of all, no one cares what I think. And, what I say isn't even remotely comparable to what your people say about the majority of voters who have rejected Trump. You don't get to identify as the tough talkin' thick-skinned hardworking Real American and then immediately roll over and whine like a little baby bitch whenever someone gives you a little taste of your own medicine.

Now that that's out of the way, let's deal with what my post actually said. I did not say that 75 million people are racists. What I said was that Trump's coalition (i.e. the people that make him competitive) consists of cultural christians (people who don't give a damn about the Bible or Jesus but strongly identify as christian), bitter WWC people (don't even see why this is controversial, it was his whole campaign in 2016), and xenophobes (people who don't like foreigners entering the country). Vivek can't appeal to those people as well as Trump can, and he's not winning anyone else over, so he's going to do worse than Trump. And lose. Do you have an actual response to that or are you just offended that I didn't include a bunch of worshipful praise about the humble Trump supporter in my post?

[Progressive Pessimist]

Biden would curbstomp him. He wouldn't even be able to use his youth to his advantage. He may be trying to be Trump's Mini-Me, but he lacks something Trump has if he were to try and replicate the 2016 win, or something like that.

[Utilitarian Governance]

2020 map minus NC

[SN2903]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Oh shut up.

First of all, no one cares what I think. And, what I say isn't even remotely comparable to what your people say about the majority of voters who have rejected Trump. You don't get to identify as the tough talkin' thick-skinned hardworking Real American and then immediately roll over and whine like a little baby bitch whenever someone gives you a little taste of your own medicine.

Now that that's out of the way, let's deal with what my post actually said. I did not say that 75 million people are racists. What I said was that Trump's coalition (i.e. the people that make him competitive) consists of cultural christians (people who don't give a damn about the Bible or Jesus but strongly identify as christian), bitter WWC people (don't even see why this is controversial, it was his whole campaign in 2016), and xenophobes (people who don't like foreigners entering the country). Vivek can't appeal to those people as well as Trump can, and he's not winning anyone else over, so he's going to do worse than Trump. And lose. Do you have an actual response to that or are you just offended that I didn't include a bunch of worshipful praise about the humble Trump supporter in my post?

I don't support Trump anymore I am simply analyzing why he won in the first place and is tied with your hero Joe Biden despite the fact that your side constantly says he destroyed democracy which if people agreed with he wouldn't be tied. Trump won because of peoples disgust for the two parties and a corrupt, incompetent uniparty government. Vivek is your next President. He dominated the debate- got under everyones skin especially Haley and Pence. He's a more likable Trump outsider candidate. The establishment is absolutely terrified of this guy.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Oh shut up.

First of all, no one cares what I think. And, what I say isn't even remotely comparable to what your people say about the majority of voters who have rejected Trump. You don't get to identify as the tough talkin' thick-skinned hardworking Real American and then immediately roll over and whine like a little baby bitch whenever someone gives you a little taste of your own medicine.

Now that that's out of the way, let's deal with what my post actually said. I did not say that 75 million people are racists. What I said was that Trump's coalition (i.e. the people that make him competitive) consists of cultural christians (people who don't give a damn about the Bible or Jesus but strongly identify as christian), bitter WWC people (don't even see why this is controversial, it was his whole campaign in 2016), and xenophobes (people who don't like foreigners entering the country). Vivek can't appeal to those people as well as Trump can, and he's not winning anyone else over, so he's going to do worse than Trump. And lose. Do you have an actual response to that or are you just offended that I didn't include a bunch of worshipful praise about the humble Trump supporter in my post?

I don't support Trump anymore I am simply analyzing why he won in the first place and is tied with your hero Joe Biden despite the fact that your side constantly says he destroyed democracy which if people agreed with he wouldn't be tied. Trump won because of peoples disgust for the two parties and a corrupt, incompetent uniparty government. Vivek is your next President. He dominated the debate- got under everyones skin especially Haley and Pence. He's a more likable Trump outsider candidate. The establishment is absolutely terrified of this guy.

Man the cognitive dissonance of Trumpers to call everyone else “corrupt and incompetent” always amazes me.

[DaleCooper]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Oh shut up.

First of all, no one cares what I think. And, what I say isn't even remotely comparable to what your people say about the majority of voters who have rejected Trump. You don't get to identify as the tough talkin' thick-skinned hardworking Real American and then immediately roll over and whine like a little baby bitch whenever someone gives you a little taste of your own medicine.

Now that that's out of the way, let's deal with what my post actually said. I did not say that 75 million people are racists. What I said was that Trump's coalition (i.e. the people that make him competitive) consists of cultural christians (people who don't give a damn about the Bible or Jesus but strongly identify as christian), bitter WWC people (don't even see why this is controversial, it was his whole campaign in 2016), and xenophobes (people who don't like foreigners entering the country). Vivek can't appeal to those people as well as Trump can, and he's not winning anyone else over, so he's going to do worse than Trump. And lose. Do you have an actual response to that or are you just offended that I didn't include a bunch of worshipful praise about the humble Trump supporter in my post?

I don't support Trump anymore I am simply analyzing why he won in the first place and is tied with your hero Joe Biden despite the fact that your side constantly says he destroyed democracy which if people agreed with he wouldn't be tied. Trump won because of peoples disgust for the two parties and a corrupt, incompetent uniparty government. Vivek is your next President. He dominated the debate- got under everyones skin especially Haley and Pence. He's a more likable Trump outsider candidate. The establishment is absolutely terrified of this guy.

Oh okay this is all just weird projection on your part.

[Galeel]

His insane views and sociopath persona would turn off independents and motivate Democrats to turn out, even for an unpopular Biden. Would be one of the weaker possible GOP candidates IMO. Blindly going for the most far-right stance on all things at all times is not a GE winning strategy (this goes for Desantis as much as Ramaswamy).

[Galeel]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

So you literally just labeled 75 million people bitter working class people,  fake religious people and racists ? Thanks for explaining why a dude with about 1000 criminal charges is tied with an incumbent president. People can't stand the condescension and just flat out anti-working class/poor people message of the modern Democratic Party. Dems may find a way to lose to Trump again. It's unbelievable

Plently of working class people vote Democratic. Many are members of the same groups that the GOP incessantly targets in a desperate attempt to motivate their base and distract them from how they've destroyed the country for the past 40 years. You don't need to have money to have a basic sense of morality, it just seems like a lot of people in this country lack it.

[oldtimer]

Biden would curbstomp him. He wouldn't even be able to use his youth to his advantage. He may be trying to be Trump's Mini-Me, but he lacks something Trump has if he were to try and replicate the 2016 win, or something like that.

Christie said that Vivek was the republican version of Obama, so Biden would be in incredible trouble if that turns out to be true.

Biden can't compete with someone like Obama.

[Arson Plus]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

This is unlikely unless a third of the Indian GOP vote comes from extreme evangelicals/Pentecostals who believe that Hindus are devil worshipers or something like that and I doubt there are many people like that in the US and there will be some level of Hindu movement toward Ramaswamy.

[dspNY]

Biden would win by a wider margin against Ramaswamy than he would against Trump (if Biden wins against Trump in the first place). Ramaswamy is even more repulsive towards the demographics he has to win to carry a national election than Trump

[Progressive Pessimist]

Biden would curbstomp him. He wouldn't even be able to use his youth to his advantage. He may be trying to be Trump's Mini-Me, but he lacks something Trump has if he were to try and replicate the 2016 win, or something like that.

Christie said that Vivek was the republican version of Obama, so Biden would be in incredible trouble if that turns out to be true.

Biden can't compete with someone like Obama.

He meant that as a bad thing-which is stupid. But Ramaswamy is not Obama in any way shape or form, objectively speaking. He is basically a 4channer running for President and he comes across that way. There is nothing inspiring about him. Being young and a minority is not all it takes to be Obama.