Hypothetical matchup: Joe Biden (D, inc.) vs. Vivek Ramaswamy (R)

[Sir Mohamed]

How do you think this matchup would end? Assuming Trump is not able to continue his candidacy and Vivek upsets the political estbalishment, winning the nomination? Despite coming off as youthful, I believe his platform and demands to raise the voting age to 25 would hurt him with young voters.

What are your guesses?

[Banana Republican]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

[Redban]

Ramaswamy would easily get the Trump coalition voters and, possibly, Trump's endorsement. So Vivek, I think, would match Trump's performance against Biden at least

[Duke 🇺🇸]

Performs much worse than Trump among WWC voters and does not really improve on among college educated voters due to his insane policies. Trump's endorsement would help but as we saw during the midterms, that doesn't make a winning formula in the general election.

[Sir Mohamed]

Performs much worse than Trump among WWC voters and does not really improve on among college educated voters due to his insane policies. Trump's endorsement would help but as we saw during the midterms, that doesn't make a winning formula in the general election.

Donald J. Trump wouldn't endorse any candidate not named Donald J. Trump.

[Redban]

Performs much worse than Trump among WWC voters and does not really improve on among college educated voters due to his insane policies. Trump's endorsement would help but as we saw during the midterms, that doesn't make a winning formula in the general election.

I believe there are major differences between the bolded. But please sir, correct me if I err

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Biden loses to any candidate not named DeSantis, and loses to DeSantis in a recession.

[Podgy the Bear]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

Trump won around 23-27% of the Indian-American vote in 2020 so you really think Vivek would do worse with the Indian-American vote than Trump. I highly doubt it given that 1. Ramaswamy unlike Jindal has not run away from his roots 2. Ramaswamy sounds way smarter than Trump so vibes wise hes a better fit for educated voters than Trump 3. Both the Indian and Asian vote has trended R since 2016

[Kevin Graham]

He would loose worse than Trump. He's crazy, unprepared, and not serious at all. He's like Trump without the years of celebrity and notoriety. He will do worse with college educated voters and make no inroads among Asian voters.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

Performs much worse than Trump among WWC voters and does not really improve on among college educated voters due to his insane policies. Trump's endorsement would help but as we saw during the midterms, that doesn't make a winning formula in the general election.

I believe there are major differences between the bolded. But please sir, correct me if I err

Sorry, I meant primaries. I don't think Vivek performs nearly as well as Trump. His base is not going to turn out for Vivek as they would with Trump on the ballot.

[DaleCooper]

Performs much worse than Trump among WWC voters and does not really improve on among college educated voters due to his insane policies. Trump's endorsement would help but as we saw during the midterms, that doesn't make a winning formula in the general election.

I believe there are major differences between the bolded. But please sir, correct me if I err

You're right, the general election is probably going to have a bit more D-friendly electorate than the midterms did.

[DaleCooper]

As for the thread's question, Ramaswamy sucks. He'd lose every competitive state and probably lose the popular vote by close to what McCain lost by.

[Redban]

Sorry, I meant primaries. I don't think Vivek performs nearly as well as Trump. His base is not going to turn out for Vivek as they would with Trump on the ballot.

With Trump's active support, the dangling carrot of a presidential pardon (which Vivek has promised), and the push-factor of a Biden / Harris 2nd term -- Vivek would get out the GOP base

This site in 2016 said Trump would lose a landslide; everyone on here was pushing Kasich as the best choice because he was the most left-wing Republican. But we know what happened that election. This site isn't always on the pulse of the GOP voters

[Podgy the Bear]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

Trump won around 23-27% of the Indian-American vote in 2020 so you really think Vivek would do worse with the Indian-American vote than Trump. I highly doubt it given that 1. Ramaswamy unlike Jindal has not run away from his roots 2. Ramaswamy sounds way smarter than Trump so vibes wise hes a better fit for educated voters than Trump 3. Both the Indian and Asian vote has trended R since 2016

I wasn’t aware that there was a specific breakdown on the Indian-American vote in 2020.   That said, the Democratic share remains tremendous.  And I don’t see the Trump takeover of the Republican Party bringing more of these types of voters (including yourself).  And with Ramaswamy acting like the younger Trump, why would Indian-Americans swarm to him just because of his ethnic background?   

[OSR stands with Israel]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

Trump won around 23-27% of the Indian-American vote in 2020 so you really think Vivek would do worse with the Indian-American vote than Trump. I highly doubt it given that 1. Ramaswamy unlike Jindal has not run away from his roots 2. Ramaswamy sounds way smarter than Trump so vibes wise hes a better fit for educated voters than Trump 3. Both the Indian and Asian vote has trended R since 2016

I wasn’t aware that there was a specific breakdown on the Indian-American vote in 2020.   That said, the Democratic share remains tremendous.  And I don’t see the Trump takeover of the Republican Party bringing more of these types of voters (including yourself).  And with Ramaswamy acting like the younger Trump, why would Indian-Americans swarm to him just because of his ethnic background?   

I mean the Indian-American vote(particularly Hindu American vote) has trended R since 2012/2016 so thinking Vivek would do better than Trump is not because of anything Vivek would do but rather those trends continuing.

[President Johnson]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

Trump won around 23-27% of the Indian-American vote in 2020 so you really think Vivek would do worse with the Indian-American vote than Trump. I highly doubt it given that 1. Ramaswamy unlike Jindal has not run away from his roots 2. Ramaswamy sounds way smarter than Trump so vibes wise hes a better fit for educated voters than Trump 3. Both the Indian and Asian vote has trended R since 2016

I wasn’t aware that there was a specific breakdown on the Indian-American vote in 2020.   That said, the Democratic share remains tremendous.  And I don’t see the Trump takeover of the Republican Party bringing more of these types of voters (including yourself).  And with Ramaswamy acting like the younger Trump, why would Indian-Americans swarm to him just because of his ethnic background?   

I mean the Indian-American vote(particularly Hindu American vote) has trended R since 2012/2016 so thinking Vivek would do better than Trump is not because of anything Vivek would do but rather those trends continuing.

Sure, but trends - demographical or geographical - may stop or even reverse at some point. For example, between 2004 and 2016, Miami-Dade trended more Democratic with each election before the Democrats drastically underperformed in 2020.

[Bea O'Problem]

Ramaswamy can't win.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Ramaswamy loses by 4-8% overall and loses the Indian-American vote 85%-15% or so.

Exactly.  And double emphasis on the Indian-American vote.

Trump won around 23-27% of the Indian-American vote in 2020 so you really think Vivek would do worse with the Indian-American vote than Trump. I highly doubt it given that 1. Ramaswamy unlike Jindal has not run away from his roots 2. Ramaswamy sounds way smarter than Trump so vibes wise hes a better fit for educated voters than Trump 3. Both the Indian and Asian vote has trended R since 2016

I wasn’t aware that there was a specific breakdown on the Indian-American vote in 2020.   That said, the Democratic share remains tremendous.  And I don’t see the Trump takeover of the Republican Party bringing more of these types of voters (including yourself).  And with Ramaswamy acting like the younger Trump, why would Indian-Americans swarm to him just because of his ethnic background?   

I mean the Indian-American vote(particularly Hindu American vote) has trended R since 2012/2016 so thinking Vivek would do better than Trump is not because of anything Vivek would do but rather those trends continuing.

Sure, but trends - demographical or geographical - may stop or even reverse at some point. For example, between 2004 and 2016, Miami-Dade trended more Democratic with each election before the Democrats drastically underperformed in 2020.

Maybe but the people miss some of the reasons Asians/Indian Americans have trended right recently . Many Asians and Indian Americans moved here in the 1990s and were huge fans of Bill Clinton and add to the fact that the Bush 2nd term went so badly , is why that group voted so heavily Democratic to begin with .

Since 2016 as memories of the Clinton and even Bush years started to fade and both parties more or less moving away from the legacies of both presidents, many Conservative Asian and Indian voters moved to the GOP . This trend continued in 2022 too as Asians moved heavily right and while this does not mean they will trend right again , I do think the numbers democrats got among Asians from 2008-2016 are in the past as that included many voters who were conservative.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

It's a 303 map and Rassy isn't getting on due to wanting to cancel Juneteenth no matter what OSR says

Rs are doomed in 24/26/28

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

My honest opinion? He wins the pv against Biden. He has the "It" factor. Vivek is super likeable. I don't agree with a lot of what he says. As much as people don't want to admit it politics really is mostly about personality. Trump beat Hillary in 2016 largely because she was more disliked and a lot of people see Trump as entertaining and funny. People said Reagan was a joke and he ended up winning 40 states in 1980. Why? He had the "It" factor. Obama had it too. I remember when McCain was leading post convention in 2008 pre economic meltdown. External events and personality decide most races. Seriously a 38 year old successful entrepreneur vs an 82 year old barely at 40% approval? The contrast would be really stark. I think he would find a way to distance himself enough from Trump in a general while still keeping Trumps core group. I think he would do better with Wwc than many are saying on here and he would narrow the gap in the suburbs as he is highly intelligent and articulate. He would get around 30 35% of Indian Americans imo. I think him and Tim Scott do the best in a general election of the GOP field and both win the PV.

Lol do you know Rs haven't beaten Biden 2008/12/20/22

[DaleCooper]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

[RINO Tom]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

Wow, I would hate to see how obscenely offensive your description of the people in the ~actual~ Biden coalition would be...

[DaleCooper]

Ramaswamy's "It" factor is only a winner among weird internet men, which is probably why so many Atlas conservatives like him. And to be fair that is enough to get you a good 10-15% in Republican primary polling, but that's not going to sell well to the whole country, and it definitely won't result in a popular vote victory against an incumbent president. He's a dreadful fit for the actual Trump coalition, which is evangelical fake christians, bitter WWC people, and xenophobes. Some filthy rich Millennial with a foreign name who wants to take your kids' right to vote away and take money out of your pocket and give it to corporations is not winning over the Obama-Trump people. Those guys will not vote for this man. Maybe this idiot would be a popular Joe Rogan guest but he's a flop among everyone else.

Wow, I would hate to see how obscenely offensive your description of the people in the ~actual~ Biden coalition would be...

You think that was obscenely offensive?

[Ferguson97]

He’d do really badly. He’s too Indian to win over the WWC and too much of a puppy-strangler to win over the suburbanites.