Vivek Ramaswamy suggests the the truth of 9/11 is still unknown

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/vivek-ramaswamy-suggests-truth-911-still-unknown-rcna101264

GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy has come under fire this week for suggesting in a newly published interview that federal agents may have been on planes involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

A feature story about the 2024 contender published Monday in The Atlantic said Ramaswamy began talking about the 2001 attacks after discussing the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection during an interview.

“I think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents, were on the planes that hit the Twin Towers. Maybe the answer is zero. It probably is zero for all I know, right? I have no reason to think it was anything other than zero. But if we’re doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9/11, we have a 9/11 commission, absolutely that should be an answer the public knows the answer to,” Ramaswamy said to the reporter, John Hendrickson.

Ramaswamy was then asked if he was confused about who was behind the 9/11 attacks.

“I mean, I would take the truth about 9/11,” Ramaswamy said. “I am not questioning what we—this is not something I’m staking anything out on. But I want the truth about 9/11.”

Ramaswamy's attempt to respond, has been nothing short of a mess.

https://twitter.com/vivekgramaswamy/status/1689375832265854977

[Progressive Pessimist]

The GOP only offers the biggest patriots.

Seriously, this is the kind of thing that would sink him in the general election if he somehow got nominated. I don't think he'd have the ability to get away with spouting conspiracy theories like Trump does. And does he really want to be ensconcing himself in trutherism this close to tomorrow's debate? What a dumbass. But I guess that's the topsy-turvy Republican way of looking at reality for you.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

I'm glad this is becoming mainstream. We need to question this sort of thing.

[I love MAGA, don’t send me to the camps]

It’s fun to watch this become a right wing thing, after the right demonized the NJ moms in the early 2000s.

Vivek’s tweet is frankly boring. As with any major historic event (9/11, JFK, Covid, etc), the most interesting question is who - if anyone - knew in advance and let it happen or assisted. This line of inquiry often spawns crazy conspiracies, but it’s fairly accepted that we’ll never learn the full history of major events.

[BigSerg]

I mean, questioning 9/11 is something very generalized, lmao, let's not act like there aren't 1000 different documentaries analyzing the thermite theory.

[dspNY]

Ramaswamy is uniquely odious

[Horus]

I mean, isn't it common knowledge that the House of Saud was behind 9/11? What's the problem here?

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

I want the debate to ask everyone on stage exactly what they think happened on 9/11.

[Whale Psychiatrist]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

[NewYorkExpress]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

Yeah, if Trump was actually bothering to show up for the debate, this would be an easy (if somewhat obvious) line of attack for him.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

Yeah, if Trump was actually bothering to show up for the debate, this would be an easy (if somewhat obvious) line of attack for him.

You do realize Trump is also a 9/11 truther lmao

[NewYorkExpress]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

Yeah, if Trump was actually bothering to show up for the debate, this would be an easy (if somewhat obvious) line of attack for him.

You do realize Trump is also a 9/11 truther lmao

He's also a hypocrite. It would be very like him to attack someone else for being a 9/11 truther while being one himself.

[emailking]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

Yeah, if Trump was actually bothering to show up for the debate, this would be an easy (if somewhat obvious) line of attack for him.

You do realize Trump is also a 9/11 truther lmao

I've never heard anything like that from him. Just that he pulled bodies from the rubble and thousands of muslims celebrated in the streets.

[Duke 🇺🇸]

I think Trump said W knew it was going to happen and let it. I haven’t heard him say it was an inside job or anything like that

[Whale Psychiatrist]

Pointing out that Saudi involvement in 9/11 was a blind spot in the commission report is valid, but Vivek's framing of the issue is sloppy and just plays into trutherism. The fact that he went from talking about US law enforcement on the planes, to the Saudis, seems like he's trying to dodge what he said before and walk back his conspiracy mongering.

I expect some spicy debate moments over this. If Vivek can successfully reframe the discussion to be about the Saudis and not his conspiracy-adjacent views, then it could be a big win for him. But it's a tall order and definitely a liability to be brought up.

Yeah, if Trump was actually bothering to show up for the debate, this would be an easy (if somewhat obvious) line of attack for him.

I also think that if Christie attacks Vivek for something other than his Trump sycophancy, it'd be that. It's something I'll be watching for.

[Lumine]

I disctintly remember Trump mocking Jeb in a debate over the "Dubya kept us safe" rhetoric by pointing out 9/11 and/or that Bush didn't take out Bin Laden when he had the chance, but I don't think he actually went full conspiracy theorist. Wouldn't be surprised if he did later on, but on 2015-16 he seemed to be more intent on mocking Bush's legacy than anything.

[Averroës]

This is the downside of the "speak anywhere that will have you" strategy, especially with regard to longer interviews that only work with some degree of spontaneity. Talk long enough and you're bound to say something regrettable.

What's most absurd about Ramaswamy's subsequent statement, in which he tries to distinguish between his concerns and conspiracy theories, is that he somehow believed that this topic was an appropriate subject to be musing over with someone he describes as a "comedian podcaster." It's pure context collapse.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

I think Trump said W knew it was going to happen and let it. I haven’t heard him say it was an inside job or anything like that

I think I remember seeing some tweets he made about it. Not full conspiracy theorist but in that realm.

[Whale Psychiatrist]

This is the downside of the "speak anywhere that will have you" strategy, especially with regard to longer interviews that only work with some degree of spontaneity. Talk long enough and you're bound to say something regrettable.

What's most absurd about Ramaswamy's subsequent statement, in which he tries to distinguish between his concerns and conspiracy theories, is that he somehow believed that this topic was an appropriate subject to be musing over with someone he describes as a "comedian podcaster." It's pure context collapse.

I'm pretty sure the "comedian podcaster" in question is Bill Maher, to be fair. Though I'm not sure why he's bringing that up, since his concerning comments were made in an interview with The Atlantic that only obliquely referred to discussions he had on the topic previously. More deflection, I guess.

[Dr. MB]

He’s not wrong. Its not an insane thing to think.

[Senator Incitatus]

Everyone jokes about the CIA or Hillary Clinton but implicating the Saudis in 9/11 is one of the few things that I think could get a presidential candidate killed.

[Skill and Chance]

How did this particular conspiracy theory shift from the left to the right so quickly?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I want the debate to ask everyone on stage exactly what they think happened on 9/11.

https://youtu.be/0Fkm1gFyKd8?si=KPZhFNh1kmAs7col

[7,052,770]

Why does Twitter now allow someone to post full articles in a single Tweet? They need to go back to the 280 character limit desperately, among other things.

[ProudModerate2]

Here is some audio on this.
Ram tries to say he was "mis-quoted," but was not.

https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/23/fact-check-vivek-ramaswamy-the-atlantic-911-quote-collins-src-vpx.cnn