DeSantis says he'd authorize killing people on sight crossing border if he thinks they have drugs

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

How very pro-life of him

[Ferguson97]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/07/gupta-opioid-crisis-deaths-00100756

This is absolutely terrorism

Terrorism requires a political and/or religious motivation.

Learn what words mean before you use them.

The reason they use fentanyl is because the money that they're losing by killing their customers is nothing compared to the amount of money that they're saving by cutting their product with fentanyl. It's a cost-saving measure, because all they care about is making money. Because that's all criminal organizations care about.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Basically all drug trafficking into the United States is done via legal points of entry--airports, seaports, highways. Does DeSantis want to publicly execute people inside LAX?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Look, my brother died from fentanyl and even I think this is just plain fINKSed up.

[Aurelius2]

Look, my brother died from fentanyl and even I think this is just plain fINKSed up.

Sorry to hear about your brother. An evil, diabolical drug that is.

I've also lost a loved one to the opioid epidemic and I also still think this is about 100 bridges too far. And people on this forum know very well I am no softy when it comes to drug policy!

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/07/gupta-opioid-crisis-deaths-00100756

This is absolutely terrorism

Terrorism requires a political and/or religious motivation.

Learn what words mean before you use them.

The reason they use fentanyl is because the money that they're losing by killing their customers is nothing compared to the amount of money that they're saving by cutting their product with fentanyl. It's a cost-saving measure, because all they care about is making money. Because that's all criminal organizations care about.

This does not change the fact that :

1. Fentnyl Dealers should get the death penalty

2. We should utilize our military/CIA to take out Fentnyl drug lords overseas and destroy their stash too

3. Congress can pass a law to change what terrorism means so dealers can be treated as such

[President Johnson]

Rodrigo Duterte's endorsement imminent?

[Alben Barkley]

Turns out that DeSantis ad with Nazi symbols was no joke, because this man really IS trying to run to the right of Hitler.

[sul]

This level of hawkish/extremism doesn't appeal to anybody not even republicans farther to the right.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Turns out that DeSantis ad with Nazi symbols was no joke, because this man really IS trying to run to the right of Hitler.

DeSantis is the only Republican that really scares me. He has been governing like a Nazi too, except for being good on COVID. Just look at him: changing Florida's constitution, aggressively picking winners and losers based on ideology, changing the education curriculum completely, requiring bloggers to write about him to register, etc. I would in fact vote for Democrat for Florida governor if there were still governor elections in 2026 (though if the 2024 election were somehow just DeSantis and Biden, still DeSantis because Biden is that bad).

Trump on the other hand is just incompetent. He won't be able to achieve anything remotely a threat to Democracy before congress, the media, or the Supreme Court blocks him.

[Alben Barkley]

Turns out that DeSantis ad with Nazi symbols was no joke, because this man really IS trying to run to the right of Hitler.

DeSantis is the only Republican that really scares me. He has been governing like a Nazi too, except for being good on COVID. Just look at him: changing Florida's constitution, aggressively picking winners and losers based on ideology, changing the education curriculum completely, requiring bloggers to write about him to register, etc. I would in fact vote for Democrat for Florida governor if there were still governor elections in 2026 (though if the 2024 election were somehow just DeSantis and Biden, still DeSantis because Biden is that bad).

Trump on the other hand is just incompetent. He won't be able to achieve anything remotely a threat to Democracy before congress, the media, or the Supreme Court blocks him.

LMFAO

"He may be a Nazi, but at least he's not BIDEN!"

Ha ha charade you are, my friend. Ha ha, charade you are.

Also gotta love the implication that you know Trump would at least TRY to end democracy, but still he's better than Biden because.... reasons? Honestly there aren't ANY actual rational "reasons" in existence, but I guess somewhere in your mind you BELIEVE there are. Somehow. Some way.

Sad!

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Turns out that DeSantis ad with Nazi symbols was no joke, because this man really IS trying to run to the right of Hitler.

DeSantis is the only Republican that really scares me. He has been governing like a Nazi too, except for being good on COVID. Just look at him: changing Florida's constitution, aggressively picking winners and losers based on ideology, changing the education curriculum completely, requiring bloggers to write about him to register, etc. I would in fact vote for Democrat for Florida governor if there were still governor elections in 2026 (though if the 2024 election were somehow just DeSantis and Biden, still DeSantis because Biden is that bad).

Trump on the other hand is just incompetent. He won't be able to achieve anything remotely a threat to Democracy before congress, the media, or the Supreme Court blocks him.

LMFAO

"He may be a Nazi, but at least he's not BIDEN!"

Ha ha charade you are, my friend. Ha ha, charade you are.

Also gotta love the implication that you know Trump would at least TRY to end democracy, but still he's better than Biden because.... reasons? Honestly there aren't ANY actual rational "reasons" in existence, but I guess somewhere in your mind you BELIEVE there are. Somehow. Some way.

Sad!

Biden has drained half the Strategic Petroleum for political gain, threatening National Security. He clearly is behind making up fake job reports (as they for 16 months in a row they beat expectations, but then in a later update quietly get revised down to where economist expectations are).

He is trying to change primary rules for the first time just to benefit him. He is secretly trying to manipulate FB to show certainly news and not others. He has contributed towards further destroying the economy, as banks are now starting to fail. Finally, he is trying to arrest his political opponent.

At least DeSantis is open about his authoritarian intentions, Biden, not so much.

Any of the possible Democratic candidates in FL (ie Mucarsel-Powell, Crist, Ehr, Graham, Deegan, Fried) are acceptable enough for me to vote over DeSantis. Not Biden.

[Ferguson97]

This does not change the fact that :

1. Fentnyl Dealers should get the death penalty

2. We should utilize our military/CIA to take out Fentnyl drug lords overseas and destroy their stash too

3. Congress can pass a law to change what terrorism means so dealers can be treated as such

1. No one should get the death penalty.

2. No we shouldn’t. This is a terrible idea that won’t even work.

3. Changing the definition of terrorism to give yourself a moral/legal excuse to kill people is ridiculously evil and authoritarian.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

1. No one should get the death penalty.

2. No we shouldn’t. This is a terrible idea that won’t even work.

3. Changing the definition of terrorism to give yourself a moral/legal excuse to kill people is ridiculously evil and authoritarian.

1.Disagree, I believe first degree murderers should get the death penalty. If your action was premeditated, you should pay your externality (in the same way I believe a thief should be fined proportional to the amount they stole).

2.Agree

3.Agree

[Encampment Supporters for Globalizing the Intifada]

I am much less concerned about random foreign drug smugglers than I am about the real criminals in the opioid crisis: the Sacklers, who intentionally and knowingly got vulnerable people across middle America addicted to heroin in order to prop up their declining pharma company. DeSh*tass will not speak a word against them, of course, because they are one of the RNC's top donors.

[Ferguson97]

Disagree, I believe first degree murderers should get the death penalty. If your action was premeditated, you should pay your externality (in the same way I believe a thief should be fined proportional to the amount they stole).

There will always be the possibility that someone is wrongfully convicted and executed. Even if just one person had ever been wrongfully executed, that is one too many.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This does not change the fact that :

1. Fentnyl Dealers should get the death penalty

2. We should utilize our military/CIA to take out Fentnyl drug lords overseas and destroy their stash too

3. Congress can pass a law to change what terrorism means so dealers can be treated as such

1. No one should get the death penalty.

2. No we shouldn’t. This is a terrible idea that won’t even work.

3. Changing the definition of terrorism to give yourself a moral/legal excuse to kill people is ridiculously evil and authoritarian.

1. So you think if we captured Bin Laden , we shouldn’t have given him the death penalty.

2. Our military is more than capable of carrying out this type of operation . We do a bad job in nation building but we don’t need to engage in nation building here

3. Laws and definitions are changed all the time and you are the same person who said parents protesting CRT should have been investigated for terrorism .

[DrScholl]

Nothing like proposing murder to get your campaign a shot in the arm.

[Drop Billionaires, Not Bombs]

This does not change the fact that :

1. Fentnyl Dealers should get the death penalty

2. We should utilize our military/CIA to take out Fentnyl drug lords overseas and destroy their stash too

3. Congress can pass a law to change what terrorism means so dealers can be treated as such

1. No one should get the death penalty.

2. No we shouldn’t. This is a terrible idea that won’t even work.

3. Changing the definition of terrorism to give yourself a moral/legal excuse to kill people is ridiculously evil and authoritarian.

1. So you think if we captured Bin Laden , we shouldn’t have given him the death penalty.

2. Our military is more than capable of carrying out this type of operation . We do a bad job in nation building but we don’t need to engage in nation building here

3. Laws and definitions are changed all the time and you are the same person who said parents protesting CRT should have been investigated for terrorism .

Do you support the death penalty for the Sackler family?

[Joe Biden 2028]

Summary executions sounds like a great way to get the US into a hemisphere-wide guerrilla war.

DeSantis has a bad idea but why would other countries care about killing drug smugglers?

[Ferguson97]

1. So you think if we captured Bin Laden , we shouldn’t have given him the death penalty.

He's an enemy combatant, not a remotely comparable scenario.

2. Our military is more than capable of carrying out this type of operation

No it is not. No military would ever be capable of permanently destroying the cartels. This is a child's idea of how the world works.

3. Laws and definitions are changed all the time and you are the same person who said parents protesting CRT should have been investigated for terrorism .

Stop lying about this. It's starting to annoy me.

I said that people, parents or otherwise, who threatened to harm or murder school board members should be investigated for terrorism. Because that is what terrorism is: making threats to public officials due to political grievances.

[Darthpi - Crush the Oligarchy]

Summary executions sounds like a great way to get the US into a hemisphere-wide guerrilla war.

DeSantis has a bad idea but why would other countries care about killing drug smugglers?

I'm not saying other countries would care, I'm saying *cartels* in those other countries would respond, likely with violence.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Summary executions sounds like a great way to get the US into a hemisphere-wide guerrilla war.

DeSantis has a bad idea but why would other countries care about killing drug smugglers?

I'm not saying other countries would care, I'm saying *cartels* in those other countries would respond, likely with violence.

Huh? The US kills cartel leaders and smugglers all the time. Thats the risk of pruducing, moving and selling drugs. They wouldn't dare attack the US.

This is quite silly

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Disagree, I believe first degree murderers should get the death penalty. If your action was premeditated, you should pay your externality (in the same way I believe a thief should be fined proportional to the amount they stole).

There will always be the possibility that someone is wrongfully convicted and executed. Even if just one person had ever been wrongfully executed, that is one too many.

Suppose 1 person is wrongly executed for every 19 people correctly executed. Furthermore, suppose that executing 1 person deters 0.1 first degree murders on average. Then, the total number of innocent people dead would be smaller with the death penalty. The problem is that there are no perfect solutions.

Sentencing someone wrongly to life in prison is almost as bad as sentencing them to the death penalty; the only benefit is that there's a slight chance they get exonerated and released (and even then, some innocent might never get exonerated until after they die in prison). If we were worried about even the smallest chance of sentencing someone, then there would be no justice done at all and criminals would be free to continue damaging teh community. That's where innocent until proven guilty comes in, but practical reality always dictates a very small chance of a false positive and upnishing the wrong person.

[Mr. Smith]

Nothing like proposing murder to get your campaign a shot in the arm.

It has worked before tbf.