SAD: DeSantis’s debate strategy includes defending Trump, calling Ramaswamy names

[Lief 🗽]

This is one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen from a presidential candidate.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

DeSantis's second place status is in jeopardy, and Ramaswamy is the biggest threat to that status. That's probably why DeSantis will attack Ramaswamy.

DeSantis's main hope is to secretly hope that Trump gets arrested/convicted and has to drop out. Then, if he remains in second place (which is what he's trying to achieve by attacking Ramaswamy) and is seen as a big defender of Trump, he might be able to win the Trump vote and win. He already realizes there is no chance to beat Trump short of Trump dropping out, which is why he's defending Trump now.

In any case, he already damaged himself severely for the general election. Going far right to win a primary has 2 main drawbacks: 1.Even the primary electorate might not be that far right and 2.It damages you for the general. Never ever go further right than the median Republican in a primary.

[2016]

DeSantis's second place status is in jeopardy, and Ramaswamy is the biggest threat to that status. That's probably why DeSantis will attack Ramaswamy.

Ramaswamy is a DEMOCRAT and so is TRUMP!

[Horus]

DeSantis's second place status is in jeopardy, and Ramaswamy is the biggest threat to that status. That's probably why DeSantis will attack Ramaswamy.

Ramaswamy is a DEMOCRAT and so is TRUMP!

lol

[DaleCooper]

Yeah, it is pathetic but honestly at this point it's his best option because he has completely destroyed all of his momentum and advantages that he once had over Trump. His only hope is for Trump to die and then appeal to his supporters after. If Trump drops out for any reason then he will endorse someone other than DeSantis and ensure that DeSantis loses.

[Хahar 🤔]

The second page, if you would believe it, is even more pathetic.

[Ferguson97]

DeSantis's main hope is to secretly hope that Trump gets arrested/convicted and has to drop out.

Why do people keep saying this? Trump can and would accept the GOP nomination from a Georgia prison.

[Holmes]

Is his plan to just hope Trump goes to jail and he ends up winning the nomination as the backup?

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

DeSantis's main hope is to secretly hope that Trump gets arrested/convicted and has to drop out.

Why do people keep saying this? Trump can and would accept the GOP nomination from a Georgia prison.

And even if he can't/won't, Ron DeSantis certainly is not option #2 at this point as far as the RNC is concerned.

[President Johnson]

Every time you think it can't get any worse for this guy, he proves that it can. And don't blame his advisers anymore. He's the candidate and the bucks stops with him.

What all these enablers don't get is that you can't beat someone if you don't go after them the slightest bit. Doesn't even have to be on most policy issues and his ethical/legal problems (although that's a ton), you could also argue that Trump objectively has ineffective in getting transformative policies done and that he won the Republicans nothing after 2016. Lost the House, the presidency and the senate and dragged a lot of statewide candidates down while they just barely retook the House. You could simply attack Trump for being a loser.

[I love MAGA, don’t send me to the camps]

At this point, I mean, what would we all do to advise him? It feels all fairly hopeless.

Maybe arm wrestle Chris Christie (or full on brawl with him) or breakdance on stage? He needs an orchestra pit moment, ladies and gentlemen!

[OSR stands with Israel]

Every time you think it can't get any worse for this guy, he proves that it can. And don't blame his advisers anymore. He's the candidate and the bucks stops with him.

What all these enablers don't get is that you can't beat someone if you don't go after them the slightest bit. Doesn't even have to be on most policy issues and his ethical/legal problems (although that's a ton), you could also argue that Trump objectively has ineffective in getting transformative policies done and that he won the Republicans nothing after 2016. Lost the House, the presidency and the senate and dragged a lot of statewide candidates down while they just barely retook the House. You could simply attack Trump for being a loser.

I simply don’t get why so many of these donor funded candidates turn into super robotic and super overly calculating when they go on the national stage . Like how many times has it been shown that that strategy does not win elections anymore and in fact has backfired for almost everyone who has tried (Romney in 12, Countless amount of GOPers in 16, So many Dems in 2020 other than like Biden and Bernie). Like it simply does not work anymore , and really any consultant who gives this advice should be instantly fired from their positions because it’s proven that advice is completely horrible .

Like Trump himself should prove this theory wrong because prior to 2015 , Republicans were similarly always afraid to directly go after the Bush legacy because he was viewed as this super popular figure among voters . Then Trump attacked his legacy even in areas that conventional wisdom would say would end any Republican’s political career and it in fact did the opposite. 8 years before that Obama was able to do that with the Clintons .

[I love MAGA, don’t send me to the camps]

Every time you think it can't get any worse for this guy, he proves that it can. And don't blame his advisers anymore. He's the candidate and the bucks stops with him.

What all these enablers don't get is that you can't beat someone if you don't go after them the slightest bit. Doesn't even have to be on most policy issues and his ethical/legal problems (although that's a ton), you could also argue that Trump objectively has ineffective in getting transformative policies done and that he won the Republicans nothing after 2016. Lost the House, the presidency and the senate and dragged a lot of statewide candidates down while they just barely retook the House. You could simply attack Trump for being a loser.

I simply don’t get why so many of these donor funded candidates turn into super robotic and super overly calculating when they go on the national stage . Like how many times has it been shown that that strategy does not win elections anymore and in fact has backfired for almost everyone who has tried (Romney in 12, Countless amount of GOPers in 16, So many Dems in 2020 other than like Biden and Bernie). Like it simply does not work anymore , and really any consultant who gives this advice should be instantly fired from their positions because it’s proven that advice is completely horrible .

Like Trump himself should prove this theory wrong because prior to 2015 , Republicans were similarly always afraid to directly go after the Bush legacy because he was viewed as this super popular figure among voters . Then Trump attacked his legacy even in areas that conventional wisdom would say would end any Republican’s political career and it in fact did the opposite. 8 years before that Obama was able to do that with the Clintons .

They get robotic because the money buys consultants and advisors who are paid to plan out everything for the candidate.

Even this brief memo showcases that. “If opponent in Tier 2 calls out Core Weakness, berate them, but if opponent in Tier 1 mentions Minor Weakness, ignore them.” “Acknowledge the people of Iowa in every fourth sentence. In every fifth sentence, suggest Vivek is un American.”

Engineering for every scenario results in robots.

Debate prep/advice should be more thematic (lean into xyz strengths) and less prescriptive. But that requires some faith in the candidate.

[Darthpi - Crush the Oligarchy]

He thinks he's going to be attacked as a liberal?! Compared to what, the Dirlewanger Brigade?!

[Averroës]

The second page, if you would believe it, is even more pathetic.

I especially enjoyed the link to the ad as "inspiration," which consists of a dull monologue from a man who appears to have answered a casting call for the world's most boring Trump supporter.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

DeSantis's main hope is to secretly hope that Trump gets arrested/convicted and has to drop out.

Why do people keep saying this? Trump can and would accept the GOP nomination from a Georgia prison.

And even if he can't/won't, Ron DeSantis certainly is not option #2 at this point as far as the RNC is concerned.

DeSantis is still second place in the primaries, even though even this status might end soon.

[Aurelius2]

DeSantis's second place status is in jeopardy, and Ramaswamy is the biggest threat to that status. That's probably why DeSantis will attack Ramaswamy.

Ramaswamy is a DEMOCRAT and so is TRUMP!

Europoor says what?

[The Mikado]

Serious question for OSR, 2016, etc.

Is cowardice really a trait you want in a President? Not just a presidential candidate but a President? This man is terrified of anyone who seems tougher than he is. What makes you think that he won't just say "Taiwan is yours, you want Hawaii too?" when Xi Jinping goes for Taiwan? All he ever does is cower and piss himself when met with the slightest opposition on anything ever, and you want him to be President?

[Lumine]

I get that bestowing nicknames isn't for everyone and Trump has a particular talent for it, but... uh, Vivek the Fake? Really?

[Meatball Slayer]

I get that bestowing nicknames isn't for everyone and Trump has a particular talent for it, but... uh, Vivek the Fake? Really?

Bro couldn’t have at least done “RamaSwampy” 😭

[Pericles]

OMG this is so pathetic lmao.

[Whale Psychiatrist]

So, his strategy is to become the default choice for the base when Trump is bogged down in legal problems, I guess?

OMG this is so pathetic lmao.

This is weird to me, it's like he's attacking Trump for being a coward and not showing up while defending him? I don't get the strategy, and he just comes across like a fence-sitter.

I get that bestowing nicknames isn't for everyone and Trump has a particular talent for it, but... uh, Vivek the Fake? Really?

It rhymes at least (if I understand how to prounounce Vivek correctly)

[Progressive Pessimist]

I can't wait for this debate. It's going to be a bigger disaster than 'The Flash.'

[Alben Barkley]

Never thought I'd live to see the day when a candidate was running for president and his strategy to take on his biggest competitor was essentially to say "Yes daddy, f--k me harder."

[Alben Barkley]

Every time you think it can't get any worse for this guy, he proves that it can. And don't blame his advisers anymore. He's the candidate and the bucks stops with him.

What all these enablers don't get is that you can't beat someone if you don't go after them the slightest bit. Doesn't even have to be on most policy issues and his ethical/legal problems (although that's a ton), you could also argue that Trump objectively has ineffective in getting transformative policies done and that he won the Republicans nothing after 2016. Lost the House, the presidency and the senate and dragged a lot of statewide candidates down while they just barely retook the House. You could simply attack Trump for being a loser.

I simply don’t get why so many of these donor funded candidates turn into super robotic and super overly calculating when they go on the national stage . Like how many times has it been shown that that strategy does not win elections anymore and in fact has backfired for almost everyone who has tried (Romney in 12, Countless amount of GOPers in 16, So many Dems in 2020 other than like Biden and Bernie). Like it simply does not work anymore , and really any consultant who gives this advice should be instantly fired from their positions because it’s proven that advice is completely horrible .

Like Trump himself should prove this theory wrong because prior to 2015 , Republicans were similarly always afraid to directly go after the Bush legacy because he was viewed as this super popular figure among voters . Then Trump attacked his legacy even in areas that conventional wisdom would say would end any Republican’s political career and it in fact did the opposite. 8 years before that Obama was able to do that with the Clintons .

You forgot to list the biggest example of failure due to listening to dumbass robotic "strategy:" Hillary listening to untested millennial Robby Mook over her two-time landslide-winning husband and his own lead strategist. Bill and Carville wanted her on the ground in states like Wisconsin. Mook "calculated" the rust belt was already in the bag and only wanted to run up the score, ignoring the changing political winds which put the rust belt in play entirely.