Would you support the following HYPOTHETICAL peace treaty for the Russian-Ukrainian War?

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Under drunk Yeltsin, Russians had shrinking economy, high inflation, and shortened lifespans.

The person who talks these Putin templates about a person who suffered a bunch of heart attacks, and about an economy that was trying to recover after dozens of years of government imprisoning and shooting any private entrepreneurs, clearly indicates who he is.

Yelstin had something like a 2% approval rating. I'm sure plenty of Russians hate both Putin and Yeltsin.

Did you confuse with "2% of the bourgeois" from Bolshevik propaganda or with "2% of Navalnyata sh**t" from Putin's propaganda? I remember very well how much we worried about Yeltsin when, during his second term, he was on the verge of death, undergoing the most difficult heart operations. We sympathized with him very much. And then Putin just took away his seat.

It's very surprising that he was able to live until 2007, by the way.  Perhaps when a person is no longer fed "Novichok", he more or less restores health.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

[smoltchanov]

110% the problem is Russia never would unless they are outright beaten.

Yeah, absolutely unrealistic....

[TheReckoning]

It needs to be like WW2's aftermath although the Russian people must be crushed more than Germany was as they cannot be trusted like Germany was. Russia has been a malevolent force for its entire existence, this is the opportunity to set things straight with this barbarian race.

> British
> Calling another country a “barbarian race”

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

As for the modern attitude towards Yeltsin, yes, Yeltsin and the nineties for Putin and the mobsters who adore him are objects to which they stick those their atrocities that they cannot stick to the West. It's called "finding a scapegoat". For example, it is very convenient for mobsters to discuss how they robbed a store yesterday, sniffed cocaine and knocked down several pedestrians, prefaced with the phrase "A long time ago, in the distant terrible nineties..." Also, having built an intense propaganda to turn the nineties into a nightmare scarecrow, Putin led the country to a place where the nineties could seem like a paradise to someone who still managed to maintain a sober mind (which in modern Russia is possible only for those who communicate exclusively with foreigners via the Internet and don’t go outside at all).

I think the nineties scare Putin actually only because thereat for the first time in Russia all the benefits of civilization became available not only to the aristocracy, whether monarchist or communist elite, but to all Russians without exception. This really seems to him a terrible and disgusting thing.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled, and Yeltsin was so retired that he seemed already dead? Of course, Yeltsin was a highly dubious democrat just because of his Soviet upbringing and the CPSU fools he had to manage, but he scored a fair 35% in the first round, which a dictator like Putin would never allow himself. I would suggest that it was Ziuganov who added voices for himself, for example, he could take them away from Lebedj, whom the Russians truly loved.

[BigSerg]

It is beautiful to see that 42% little by little we are waking up, a year ago this would have had a very different result.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

It's hard to upvote a starting post when it proposes donating nuclear bombs to post-Soviet states, one of which is now under the rule of the pro-Russian crime group.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled

No, there were plenty of claims made at the time. Surprised you are unaware of this.

It was almost certainly broadly free and fair, but also with some rough edges shall we say.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled, and Yeltsin was so retired that he seemed already dead? Of course, Yeltsin was a highly dubious democrat just because of his Soviet upbringing and the CPSU fools he had to manage, but he scored a fair 35% in the first round, which a dictator like Putin would never allow himself.

No, there were plenty of claims made at the time. Surprised you are unaware of this.

It was almost certainly broadly free and fair, but also with some rough edges shall we say.

Well, with the restored text of the quote, your post looks somehow completely unconvincing and even inapt.

[Pericles]

No it doesn't go far enough. If Ukraine/the west wins outright then Russia needs to be completely removed as a threat. Russia as an entity should be abolished and the area balkanized between different groups and with significant territorial concessions to Finland, the Baltic, Ukraine etc. Demilitarized zone stretching the length of the full western border. Execution of all senior Russian government officials, ideally publicly.

It needs to be like WW2's aftermath although the Russian people must be crushed more than Germany was as they cannot be trusted like Germany was. Russia has been a malevolent force for its entire existence, this is the opportunity to set things straight with this barbarian race.

In the 1940s people would just use the same talking points about Germans though, and argue they were a militaristic race that needed to be beaten down and starved. This racism was wrong then and is wrong now.

The problem is with the political culture but there isn't anything about a race of people that makes them a threat to the rest of the world. When a country has democratic institutions and is able to benefit from cooperating with its neighbours, then that country becomes a 'good actor' and its neighbours benefit from it. The tragedy of Russian history is that there have been very few opportunities for a pro-democratic Western aligned Russia to emerge-even in the 1990s the odds of success were low and politicians in Russia and the West undermined that even more.