Will no labels cost Biden the election

[Tekken_Guy]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

What states would Trump win in a 3 way with Manchin and Biden?

[Joe Biden 2028]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

What states would Trump win in a 3 way with Manchin and Biden?

WI, AZ, GA, NZ

[WalterWhite]

If No Labels runs a Democrat for POTUS, such as Joe Manchin, it would cost Biden votes.

If No Labels runs a Republican for POTUS, such as Susan Collins or Mitt Romney, it would cost Trump votes.

[Tekken_Guy]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

What states would Trump win in a 3 way with Manchin and Biden?

WI, AZ, GA, NZ

Does he get any of them in a two way or would Biden win them all otherwise?

[Talk Elections Oracle]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

*Plenty* of  "big names" are already associated with this effort, so they presumably won't have *too much* issue recruiting  at least 2 of them  to run  for them.

[Joe Biden 2028]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

*Plenty* of  "big names" are already associated with this effort, so they presumably won't have *too much* issue recruiting  at least 2 of them  to run  for them.

Having a lot of big names is not the same as have a big name run.

Marco Rubio primarying Trump in 2020 would have been a big name. Instead, it was Bill Weld. He is not a big name lol

[Joe Biden 2028]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

What states would Trump win in a 3 way with Manchin and Biden?

WI, AZ, GA, NZ

Does he get any of them in a two way or would Biden win them all otherwise?

If the election is held today, I suspect Biden wins these four states. They will be the four closest states.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

If they run a big name like Manchin, than yes

What states would Trump win in a 3 way with Manchin and Biden?

All the *same* states he'd win  if it *weren't* a 3-way, just a 2-way.

NZ

Sounds like  all  the sheep  really *are* supporting him, now aren't they?

[Talk Elections Oracle]

Having a lot of big names is not the same as have a big name run.

I don't understand; why  not?

Marco Rubio primarying Trump in 2020 would have been a big name. Instead, it was Bill Weld. He is not a big name lol

Yes; I don't disagree. Weld was a discredited bygone governor who ran for VP in 2016 and wasn't even on the GOP ticket; Marco Rubio has been one of the national GOP's best-known names  since 2016 at the latest.

If No Labels runs a Democrat for POTUS, such as Joe Manchin, it would cost Biden votes.

If No Labels runs a Republican for POTUS, such as Susan Collins or Mitt Romney, it would cost Trump votes.

Enthusiastically agreed!

WI, AZ, GA, NZ

Does he get any of them in a two-way, or would Biden win them otherwise?

If the election is held today, I suspect Biden would win these four. Either way, they will be the four closest ones.

Likely true, though I think  there's a chance PA could still *fall* to the right of AZ, GA, or both.

[Joe Biden 2028]

Having a lot of big names is not the same as have a big name run.

I don't understand; why  not?

Marco Rubio primarying Trump in 2020 would have been a big name. Instead, it was Bill Weld. He is not a big name lol

Yes; I don't disagree. Weld was a discredited bygone governor who ran for VP in 2016 and wasn't even on the GOP ticket; Marco Rubio has been one of the national GOP's best-known names  since 2016 at the latest.

If No Labels runs a Democrat for POTUS, such as Joe Manchin, it would cost Biden votes.

If No Labels runs a Republican for POTUS, such as Susan Collins or Mitt Romney, it would cost Trump votes.

Enthusiastically agreed!

WI, AZ, GA, NZ

Does he get any of them in a two-way, or would Biden win them otherwise?

If the election is held today, I suspect Biden would win these four. Either way, they will be the four closest ones.

Likely true, though I think  there's a chance PA could still *fall* to the right of AZ, GA, or both.

Joe Manchin is an attention whore. He likes the media attention, but he is still a Democrat. No doubt he loves the speculation of him running, but I very much doubt he will hand the White House to Trump whom he despises.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

he is still a Democrat; as such, I doubt he will hand the White House to Trump, whom he despises.

Agreed, I'm also  on record  as  having said that I highly doubt he's preparing  for a 2024 presidential run; he's just using  the threat  as leverage to gain the concessions that he wants  from mainstream Democrats  on Capitol Hill  who shake  with fear  at the thought of a spoiler candidate  running against Biden  as  an independent  next year, all the while  clearing the No Labels field of potential competitors, falsely making the other "big names" think he's going to run, so that he can pull out  at the final minute  and convince  the rest of them  not to launch  their own campaigns, because they haven't put in  any of the necessary work, believing Manchin  himself  would eventually be  heading up  the ticket. Manchin is smart; he's doing his best to help Biden win re-election. All the independent posturing will also gain him  some credibility  among independents—not *just* in WV which will help him  boost his odds at retaining  his current seat  back home, but nationwide, so that  his eventual endorsement  of Biden  will carry  that  much  more weight  once he inevitably makes it—even if it takes  until he  drops out  of  the race  to do so, after  first  declaring and announcing  his run  on  the No Labels ticket  and  later  throwing  his support  behind Biden  once again.

Joe Manchin is an attention whore. He likes the media attention. No doubt he loves the speculation  of supposedly running

Nah, he's just trying to strike the best balance that he possibly can  between remaining as Democrat, supporting Biden's agenda, and still giving himself a runner's shot at keeping his WV-SEN seat  come 2024. This is  why  I'm convinced Manchin's opted to run  for re-election instead: he wouldn't need to moderate  himself  *this* much  otherwise; he could've offered  his votes  up  to the Democratic establishment  as a "sacrificial lamb" of sorts, kind of  like  what Dog Jones did  between 2017 and 2020, once he realized  his hopes  of  winning re-election  were  always  going to be  dim-to-none  at best.

[HAMMERS]

Please teach me, kind sir.

First of all, "sir" is a no-go—but  with time, you shall learn ...

Those states are Republican but could be swayed by a third-party independent presidential candidate.

Lol; lmao, even.

No sir.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

No because Biden is a stronger candidate than Hillary, had we went with Bernie or OMalley we could of won just like in 2004 we could of had a better Veep Gephardt or Wes Clark whom would of smoked Cheney in Veep debate on Natl Security

I supported OMalley but D politicians supported Hillary just like we didn't support Biden in the 20 he was helped by Bloomberg

If Biden won with 3 percentage pts in 20 that's proof he can win again with 3 rd party and no one has gotten over 3 since 1996 with Perot

Right now No Labels isn't on the ballots in all 50 AZ. cO, OR they aren't on OH, FL, TX, NC , MI, PA and WI  I see them getting on MN

Why are we so anxious we have until June 24

WTF is could "of"?    That expression has no meaning in the English language.   It should be COULD HAVE.

You have a lot to learn on this site my friend.

Do teach me then, kind sir.  

Well lesson one is that nobody questions the great Mr Barkari Sellers with their dignity on here intact.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

No because Biden is a stronger candidate than Hillary, had we went with Bernie or OMalley we could of won just like in 2004 we could of had a better Veep Gephardt or Wes Clark whom would of smoked Cheney in Veep debate on Natl Security

I supported OMalley but D politicians supported Hillary just like we didn't support Biden in the 20 he was helped by Bloomberg

If Biden won with 3 percentage pts in 20 that's proof he can win again with 3 rd party and no one has gotten over 3 since 1996 with Perot

Right now No Labels isn't on the ballots in all 50 AZ. cO, OR they aren't on OH, FL, TX, NC , MI, PA and WI  I see them getting on MN

Why are we so anxious we have until June 24

WTF is could "of"?    That expression has no meaning in the English language.   It should be COULD HAVE.

You have a lot to learn on this site my friend.

Do teach me then, kind sir.  

Well lesson one is that nobody questions the great Mr Barkari Sellers with their dignity on here intact.

ok im joining, now explain  the meme  to me (pls)

[HAMMERS]

No because Biden is a stronger candidate than Hillary, had we went with Bernie or OMalley we could of won just like in 2004 we could of had a better Veep Gephardt or Wes Clark whom would of smoked Cheney in Veep debate on Natl Security

I supported OMalley but D politicians supported Hillary just like we didn't support Biden in the 20 he was helped by Bloomberg

If Biden won with 3 percentage pts in 20 that's proof he can win again with 3 rd party and no one has gotten over 3 since 1996 with Perot

Right now No Labels isn't on the ballots in all 50 AZ. cO, OR they aren't on OH, FL, TX, NC , MI, PA and WI  I see them getting on MN

Why are we so anxious we have until June 24

WTF is could "of"?    That expression has no meaning in the English language.   It should be COULD HAVE.

You have a lot to learn on this site my friend.

Do teach me then, kind sir.  

Well lesson one is that nobody questions the great Mr Barkari Sellers with their dignity on here intact.

ok im joining, now explain  the meme  to me (pls)

No idea who Baraki Seltzer is LOL.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

No idea who Baraki Seltzer is LOL.

Use  your head; it must be  either  Ajamu or Ann!

[HAMMERS]

No idea who Baraki Seltzer is LOL.

Use  your head; it must be  either  Ajamu or Ann!

Aunt Jemima?    I have no idea what this conversation is even about LOL.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

Aunt Jemima? I have  no idea  what  this conversation  is  about  right now.

Bakari Sellers  acts as  a panelist  for  the Cable News Network. You hilariously butchered  his name, by  calling him "Baraki Seltzer", so I compared  that  to  Ajamu Baraka, who was  Jill Stein's  GPUSA  running mate  in 2016, and  Ann Selzer, a famed Iowan pollster.

And  last  but  not  least, OC is  a poster blogger  with  a rather "famous" reputation  on here, to put  it  lightly.

[Zedonathin2020]

I don't even think they'll run a serious candidate, them accidentally causing Trump to get reelected would make them the most hated group of people in the nation, and I don't think they wanna risk that.

[PSOL]

I don't even think they'll run a serious candidate, them accidentally causing Trump to get reelected would make them the most hated group of people in the nation, and I don't think they wanna risk that.

They don’t care about any of that, which is why it will fail, as it’s just a bunch of rich people throwing a few Nicole’s and dimes with no real care afterwards

There won’t be any effect, and this thread should be merged with mine

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Absolutely possible. In 2016, Clinton and Trump both had low favorability ratings, and as a result third parties combined for about 6% of the vote.

In 2020, Biden had a 52% favorability rating, and thus consolidated all the non-Trump vote. There weren't a lot of third party voters as a result.

Now, Biden and Trump are both around 40 in favorability. A high third party vote as in 2016 could cause Biden to lose a lot of the non-Trump vote that he got in 2020.

[Tekken_Guy]

Absolutely possible. In 2016, Clinton and Trump both had low favorability ratings, and as a result third parties combined for about 6% of the vote.

In 2020, Biden had a 52% favorability rating, and thus consolidated all the non-Trump vote. There weren't a lot of third party voters as a result.

Now, Biden and Trump are both around 40 in favorability. A high third party vote as in 2016 could cause Biden to lose a lot of the non-Trump vote that he got in 2020.

What about Trump losing a lot of the anti-Democratic votes?

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

Absolutely possible. In 2016, Clinton and Trump both had low favorability ratings, and as a result third parties combined for about 6% of the vote.

In 2020, Biden had a 52% favorability rating, and thus consolidated all the non-Trump vote. There weren't a lot of third party voters as a result.

Now, Biden and Trump are both around 40 in favorability. A high third party vote as in 2016 could cause Biden to lose a lot of the non-Trump vote that he got in 2020.

What about Trump losing a lot of the anti-Democratic votes?

Trump's support is more enthusiastic and less anti-other side than Biden's.

[Talk Elections Oracle]

Biden had a 52% favorability rating, and consolidated  all the non-Trump votes as a result, so there didn't end up being a whole lot of third party voters.

A very large portion  of  those  anti-Trump voters  weren't  even  part of  that 52% though—hell, Trump failed to even receive  a total of  the remaining 48%.

Jorgenson < Johnson; Hawkins < Stein; McMullin didn't run. I think  that  alone  is *enough* to  explain  most of  the drop-off  between 2016 and 2020, in fact.

Trump's support will be more enthusiastic and less anti-opponents than what Biden will receive.

Proof, please?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Assuming they got on the ballot in 50 states and were on the debate stage, it's possible.  It's also possible that they could cause Biden to win even bigger.

"No Labels" is a reprehensible movement dedicated to maintaining the status quo of a Federal Administrative State that can stymie the will of the voters, and foist the sort of Globalism on America that ruined the GOP and was rejected by both the GOP base and the Democrats that are the least satisfied with their party.  How such a group of people will shake out with two (2) significant pols on a Presidential ticket remains to be seen.  They appear to be a vehicle to attract people in both parties who are "dissatisfied" with the binary choice, and there are people in both parties that desire an Expertocracy making the "real decisions", so they will, indeed, have a constituency.  They are anti-populist, to be sure.  What effect they will have on the ballot remains to be seen.