Republicans say inflation, crime, and immigration are out of control. The numbers disagree.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1669310736420438017

[GP270watch]

The GOP doesn't have any real policy besides carrying water for the wealthy. They're just a reactionary party who try to scare voters based on divisions and primal fears. They've been holding America back for 2 generations. America could have made so much more progress in science, energy, infrastructure, the legal system, and medicine if we didn't have so many stretches of Republican rule or obstructionism.

[Suburbia]

The GOP doesn't have any real policy besides carrying water for the wealthy. They're just a reactionary party who try to scare voters based on divisions and primal fears. They've been holding America back for 2 generations. America could have made so much more progress in science, energy, infrastructure, the legal system, and medicine if we didn't have so many stretches of Republican rule or obstructionism.

If that's the case, why are a lot of NYPD cops resigning en masse, etc.?

[President Johnson]

Republicans live in an alternate reality? Shocking.

[Ferguson97]

The GOP doesn't have any real policy besides carrying water for the wealthy. They're just a reactionary party who try to scare voters based on divisions and primal fears. They've been holding America back for 2 generations. America could have made so much more progress in science, energy, infrastructure, the legal system, and medicine if we didn't have so many stretches of Republican rule or obstructionism.

If that's the case, why are a lot of NYPD cops resigning en masse, etc.?

Because they're afraid that they will finally be held accountable.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Insert Stephen Colbert quote about reality.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

[President Johnson]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

Fundamentally though inflation , crime and maybe even illegal border crossing are worse than they were in 2019 so to voters they are still bad . Like someone isn’t gonna take solace at the fact that crime is not as bad as it was in 2022 when it’s still far worse than it was in 2019 so to voters crime will still feel out of control .

[Cashew]

Inflation is out of control. Food, housing, energy, and used cars are what matters most to people living paycheck to paycheck, and is not included in the fed's massaged supercore inflation.

[GP270watch]

The GOP doesn't have any real policy besides carrying water for the wealthy. They're just a reactionary party who try to scare voters based on divisions and primal fears. They've been holding America back for 2 generations. America could have made so much more progress in science, energy, infrastructure, the legal system, and medicine if we didn't have so many stretches of Republican rule or obstructionism.

If that's the case, why are a lot of NYPD cops resigning en masse, etc.?

 Because the historical norm of the police brutalizing the communities they work in is starting to crumble. These people are literally complaining about doing their actual job and being held accountable when they do wrong and a lot of them can't deal with that. I say good riddance.

[Pericles]

Damn the US economy is doing objectively well under Biden.

[Associate Justice PiT]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

Fundamentally though inflation , crime and maybe even illegal border crossing are worse than they were in 2019 so to voters they are still bad . Like someone isn’t gonna take solace at the fact that crime is not as bad as it was in 2022 when it’s still far worse than it was in 2019 so to voters crime will still feel out of control .

     It's fascinating to see people crowing that murders are down 12% from 2022 when 2022 itself was 34% higher than 2019. A smattering of random factoids didn't paint an accurate picture in Vietnam and it still strains credulity today.

[jojoju1998]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

Fundamentally though inflation , crime and maybe even illegal border crossing are worse than they were in 2019 so to voters they are still bad . Like someone isn’t gonna take solace at the fact that crime is not as bad as it was in 2022 when it’s still far worse than it was in 2019 so to voters crime will still feel out of control .

     It's fascinating to see people crowing that murders are down 12% from 2022 when 2022 itself was 34% higher than 2019. A smattering of random factoids didn't paint an accurate picture in Vietnam and it still strains credulity today.

2020 had a huge spike too from 2019. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/

How much of this rise in crime has come from ahem..... what happened in 2020 ?

[RINO Tom]

You realize that just because those things have gotten better does not mean they are not still a huge problem, right?  As one example, inflation might be down to 4.0%, but that would still be the highest average for any year since 1991 (excluding 2021).  Going from terrible to bad is not something you can expect people to not worry about.

The murder rate in 2021 was the highest it had been in over 25 years ... uh, yeah, I hope it's going down!

[Associate Justice PiT]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

Fundamentally though inflation , crime and maybe even illegal border crossing are worse than they were in 2019 so to voters they are still bad . Like someone isn’t gonna take solace at the fact that crime is not as bad as it was in 2022 when it’s still far worse than it was in 2019 so to voters crime will still feel out of control .

     It's fascinating to see people crowing that murders are down 12% from 2022 when 2022 itself was 34% higher than 2019. A smattering of random factoids didn't paint an accurate picture in Vietnam and it still strains credulity today.

2020 had a huge spike too from 2019. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/

How much of this rise in crime has come from ahem..... what happened in 2020 ?

     I am sure quite a bit had to do with things that happened in 2020, but the interesting thing is that three years later we are not yet back to 2019 numbers. It's not like 2001, which saw a surge due to a freak incident that immediately returned to normal the next year.

[Upper Canada Tory]

Just imagine if this logic were used for Democrat concerns. 'Access to healthcare is no longer a problem because the percentage of uninsured people in the United States is at record lows. If Democrats complain about access to healthcare, their narrative doesn't add up. Democrats live in an alternate reality.'

There is a somewhat lazy and perfunctory tendency amongst liberals to dismiss facts that are inconvenient to their ideology.

In fact, 4% inflation is still abnormally high for what is considered to be the norm - both the Federal Reserve and the Bank of Canada have a 2% inflation target.

[Spectator]

You realize that just because those things have gotten better does not mean they are not still a huge problem, right?  As one example, inflation might be down to 4.0%, but that would still be the highest average for any year since 1991 (excluding 2021).  Going from terrible to bad is not something you can expect people to not worry about.

The murder rate in 2021 was the highest it had been in over 25 years ... uh, yeah, I hope it's going down!

Yeah what matters most is how the numbers compare to Trump’s four years ago.

[Landslide Lyndon]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

You can argue about how interpret data, but numbers and numbers and don't care about human feelings. It's also quite known from psychology that people tend to believe even the most outrageous lies and false narratives as long as they're repeated often enough. A vast majority of the Republican Party and right-wing "news" outlets are working overtime to promote these narratives. That's also why a lot of people think the Republican Party is fiscally conservative despite the numbers telling otherwise. The Democrats should be faulted for not responding effectively most of the time to such claims.

Fundamentally though inflation , crime and maybe even illegal border crossing are worse than they were in 2019 so to voters they are still bad . Like someone isn’t gonna take solace at the fact that crime is not as bad as it was in 2022 when it’s still far worse than it was in 2019 so to voters crime will still feel out of control .

     It's fascinating to see people crowing that murders are down 12% from 2022 when 2022 itself was 34% higher than 2019. A smattering of random factoids didn't paint an accurate picture in Vietnam and it still strains credulity today.

2020 had a huge spike too from 2019. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/

How much of this rise in crime has come from ahem..... what happened in 2020 ?

     I am sure quite a bit had to do with things that happened in 2020, but the interesting thing is that three years later we are not yet back to 2019 numbers. It's not like 2001, which saw a surge due to a freak incident that immediately returned to normal the next year.

Experts were saying back in 2020 that the effects of the pandemic in every sector would still be felt until at least 2024. This is a surprise only to those who didn't listen to them.

[T'Chenka]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

No, OSR. This is terrible logic. Voters are not automatically right about everything.

If 53% of voters think that Hillary Clinton performs Satanic rituals where she drinks the blood of human trafficking victim children in the basement of a pizza parlour, God doesn't look at the polling data and say "oh damn, I guess that's reality now" and snap his fingers and magically make that true.

What's that saying? "Facts don't care about your feelings". The data is clear that a lot of Republicans are OBJECTIVELY wrong about what's happening in America,

[RINO Tom]

If the voters think they are out of control then they are out of control . Also we are still in far worse shape than we were in 2019 and that’s what matters at the end of the day

No, OSR. This is terrible logic. Voters are not automatically right about everything.

If 53% of voters think that Hillary Clinton performs Satanic rituals where she drinks the blood of human trafficking victim children in the basement of a pizza parlour, God doesn't look at the polling data and say "oh damn, I guess that's reality now" and snap his fingers and magically make that true.

What's that saying? "Facts don't care about your feelings". The data is clear that a lot of Republicans are OBJECTIVELY wrong about what's happening in America.

Not … really?  I know you’re a huge partisan, but I’m confident you know you just used objectively quite incorrectly.  It’s an entirely reasonable opinion that all of these numbers are too high.  In fact, the only reason to think they AREN’T is to view this from the mentally deranged perspective of, “Well they’re better than when they were worse so it’s all good!”  It literally requires a Biden cheerleader attitude to not think these numbers are still awful … the only positive spin is “Look at the improvement my preferred candidate has orchestrated!  His political opposition is so dumb for not being as enthusiastic as I am!!”

[T'Chenka]

The data is clear that a lot of Republicans are OBJECTIVELY wrong about what's happening in America.

Not … really?  I know you’re a huge partisan, but I’m confident you know you just used objectively quite incorrectly.  It’s an entirely reasonable opinion that all of these numbers are too high.  In fact, the only reason to think they AREN’T is to view this from the mentally deranged perspective of, “Well they’re better than when they were worse so it’s all good!”  It literally requires a Biden cheerleader attitude to not think these numbers are still awful … the only positive spin is “Look at the improvement my preferred candidate has orchestrated!  His political opposition is so dumb for not being as enthusiastic as I am!!”

A lot of Republicans seem to be under the impression that unemployment, inflation, crime (murder rate), etc are all worse under Biden than Trump, and continuing to get even worse the further we go into Biden's term. The numbers indicate that Biden's number have been trending in a positive direction, so those people are objectively wrong.

If you want to discuss "well HOW good are Biden's numbers and is the improvement enough?", then sure, that's debatable. There are a good number of Republicans who are way less grounded in reality than you are, who have absolutely no idea what's actually going on in the country.

[Mr. Smith]

Are they wrong necessarily?  If the figures are going down, and that's good for Biden, thus ruining their election chances, then technically, it's all out of their control, which is the only control that matters to them. Ergo, there is an objective, if cynical reason to dislike this.

This is the party that holds the economy hostage fairly regularly 'cuz Dems won't call their bluff or unilaterally raise the debt ceiling to a feasible spot [like the rest of the developed nations], and this is the party that prolonged The Great Recession specifically to hurt Obama.

And look how the economy "didn't come back right in 2016 until suddenly Trump was elected.

[HisGrace]

The murder and inflation statistics are disingenuous since as others have noted those numbers are still dramatically higher than they were a few years ago even if they're going down slightly this year. Particularly in regards to inflation where that number doesn't mean that the cost of living actually went down, it just went up at a lower rate. So if it was a problem last year it's still a problem now.

[Mercenary]

And yet America may as well be some third world nation when it comes to safety.
And rent is still ridiculous and good luck renewing a lease without a hike.

Immigration isnt out of control though, it should be encouraged.