Trump vows to end birthright citizenship if re-elected

[Ferguson97]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/

WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - Donald Trump said on Tuesday that if elected president again in 2024 he would seek to end automatic citizenship for children born in the United States to immigrants in the country illegally, a plan that contradicts how a 19th century amendment to the U.S. Constitution long has been interpreted.

And here's a video of him saying it, in case you think Reuters is "fake news":

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1663537082633953282

Obviously this is ridiculously unconstitutional, but will the 6-3 supreme court see it that way?

[jojoju1998]

Oh he wants to out right wing Ron DeSantis huh ?


Quite frankly, this would just increase problems for everyone. Because if Birthright Citizenship goes away, millions of new babies born to American citizens would not have citizenship and would have to be naturalized. Why ? Because this Birthright has two preconditions, either you're born here, or you're born to American citizen parents.

[Gass3268]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

He should run loud and proud on this issue. It'll help Democrats a lot.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why do OP keep posting threads about Trump being reelected he isn't being reelected

[HillGoose]

sounds like a communist plot to reduce the number of citizens in the greatest country on earth !

[Ferguson97]

Why do OP keep posting threads about Trump being reelected he isn't being reelected

"Trump vows to end birthright citizenship if re-elected"

[Redban]

I read Bill Barr's book recently. Trump wanted to do an executive order to remove birthright citizenship. But the Office of Legal Counsel wrote an analysis that Trump couldn't do it by executive order, so Trump dropped it. Barr also personally explained to Trump that the proposed executive order would've raise difficult questions about people who were already born here to illegal immigrants or foreign nationals: do you rescind their citizenship (is that even possible)?

If Trump understood that he couldn't do it then, then why does he think he could do it in a 2nd term?

Birthright citizenship really needs to end. No other major developed country does it. But Congress has to pass another amendment to get rid of it

[Sir Mohamed]

He should run loud and proud on this issue. It'll help Democrats a lot.

That's what I thought as well, but is that really an issue many people care about besides hardcore partisans who voted D or R anyways? Haven't seen issue polling here either.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

I read Bill Barr's book recently. Trump wanted to do an executive order to remove birthright citizenship. But the Office of Legal Counsel wrote an analysis that Trump couldn't do it by executive order, so Trump dropped it. Barr also personally explained to Trump that the proposed executive order would've raise difficult questions about people who were already born here to illegal immigrants or foreign nationals: do you rescind their citizenship (is that even possible)?

If Trump understood that he couldn't do it then, then why does he think he could do it in a 2nd term?

Birthright citizenship really needs to end. No other major developed country does it. But Congress has to pass another amendment to get rid of it

It really doesn’t, also Brazil has the same unrestricted “Jus Soli”, France has if you’re born to foreign parents you become a citizen at 18, and most of Western Europe has similar laws so yea other majors developed nations have it.

[DaleCooper]

I read Bill Barr's book recently. Trump wanted to do an executive order to remove birthright citizenship. But the Office of Legal Counsel wrote an analysis that Trump couldn't do it by executive order, so Trump dropped it. Barr also personally explained to Trump that the proposed executive order would've raise difficult questions about people who were already born here to illegal immigrants or foreign nationals: do you rescind their citizenship (is that even possible)?

If Trump understood that he couldn't do it then, then why does he think he could do it in a 2nd term?

Birthright citizenship really needs to end. No other major developed country does it. But Congress has to pass another amendment to get rid of it

Trump does not think logically. He's clearly mentally disabled.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Ignoring that the fact that the President doesn't have the authority to override the Constitution via executive order, Trump already had 4 years...why was he unable to do this then but he could on his first day now?

[Vosem]

I think the chances of anything like this actually happening without a broad bipartisan coalition are slim to none -- basically no one left or right questions that Wong Kim Ark was decided correctly. It might be a theoretically good issue to campaign on, though, since I think it would be sort of easy to demagogue about particular unpopular categories of birthright citizens (like the children of mothers participating in birth tourism), although this has become less of a problem since a 2020 statute. (Apparently, in the early 2010s, 70% of births in Saipan were to foreigners practicing birth tourism -- though there has been a crackdown since and this only added up to several hundred per year, which isn't exactly a flood. Of children with rich and Americophilic parents, so even if it were a flood it wouldn't exactly be the most threatening one ever.)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I think the chances of anything like this actually happening without a broad bipartisan coalition are slim to none -- basically no one left or right questions that Wong Kim Ark was decided correctly. It might be a theoretically good issue to campaign on, though, since I think it would be sort of easy to demagogue about particular unpopular categories of birthright citizens (like the children of mothers participating in birth tourism), although this has become less of a problem since a 2020 statute. (Apparently, in the early 2010s, 70% of births in Saipan were to foreigners practicing birth tourism -- though there has been a crackdown since and this only added up to several hundred per year, which isn't exactly a flood. Of children with rich and Americophilic parents, so even if it were a flood it wouldn't exactly be the most threatening one ever.)

I think in theory Clarence Thomas might be a vote against it due to how idiosyncratic he is based on the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause but also that he'd probably take the same position he does on Social Security, he's stated that he believes SS might be fundamentally unconstitutional but also that overturning it now would have so much negative impact that it really can't happen so the solution is to just not hear any case challenging the constitutionality if it. But even if he didn't it'd be an 8-1 decision. Or more like a 7-1-1 decision with the very cranky concurrence from Alito.

[Xeuma]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

No, I do not know that, and such comments only exemplify that the average person on the left has no mental model of how people on the right think, even when given access to innumerable writings showing how they think. Its quite honestly astonishing how little grasp y'all have on the conversation mindset with how much text is dedicated here to debunking/dismantling/bashing it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

No, I do not know that, and such comments only exemplify that the average person on the left has no mental model of how people on the right think, even when given access to innumerable writings showing how they think. Its quite honestly astonishing how little grasp y'all have on the conversation mindset with how much text is dedicated here to debunking/dismantling/bashing it.

If you want to argue Thomas and Alito have actual judicial philosophies in the face of the clear examples of them flip flopping on past positions in recent years in order to benefit the current republican positions you can be my guest

[Sestak]

Another Ferguson thread highlighting some random powerless GOP talking head saying some insane thing in their small corner of the world. Shame on you. Don’t you know you’re only elevating these kinds of ideas by making these threads?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Another Ferguson thread highlighting some random powerless GOP talking head saying some insane thing in their small corner of the world. Shame on you. Don’t you know you’re only elevating these kinds of ideas by making these threads?

Huh?  Trump is not a "random powerless GOP talking head".  He's a former President and possible next President talking about his intention to implement a major, though likely unconsitutional, policy change.  This is certainly newsworthy.

[Xeuma]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

No, I do not know that, and such comments only exemplify that the average person on the left has no mental model of how people on the right think, even when given access to innumerable writings showing how they think. Its quite honestly astonishing how little grasp y'all have on the conversation mindset with how much text is dedicated here to debunking/dismantling/bashing it.

If you want to argue Thomas and Alito have actual judicial philosophies in the face of the clear examples of them flip flopping on past positions in recent years in order to benefit the current republican positions you can be my guest

I won't argue for Alito, since he does appear to me as somewhat of a hack, but even his judicial philosophy is absolutely fascinating (e.g., he was the sole dissent on a case somewhat like Skokie v. National Socialists of American, if I think of it later I'll edit accordingly). Thomas, however, has a very idiomatic jkdicialism, but he follows it wherever it leads, and I'm not aware of any case where he strays from it. You have any examples?

EDIT: The case was Snyder v. Phelps, where Alito was the sole dissent. He would have awarded damages to the family of a dead solider whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Another Ferguson thread highlighting some random powerless GOP talking head saying some insane thing in their small corner of the world. Shame on you. Don’t you know you’re only elevating these kinds of ideas by making these threads?

Huh?  Trump is not a "random powerless GOP talking head".  He's a former President and possible next President talking about his intention to implement a major, though likely unconsitutional, policy change.  This is certainly newsworthy.

It was clear sarcasm lol

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

I agree with this. Trump should not be a citizen. He should go back to Germany where he came from and become Drumpf again.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Another Ferguson thread highlighting some random powerless GOP talking head saying some insane thing in their small corner of the world. Shame on you. Don’t you know you’re only elevating these kinds of ideas by making these threads?

Huh?  Trump is not a "random powerless GOP talking head".  He's a former President and possible next President talking about his intention to implement a major, though likely unconsitutional, policy change.  This is certainly newsworthy.

It was clear sarcasm lol

Sorry.  My sarcasm detector has taken a lot of damage since I joined this site.

[oldtimer]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

Birthright citizenship is clearly written in the Constitution.

Changing it would require an amendment, which obviously isn't happening.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Probably not 5 votes on the court to support this, but you know Alito and Thomas would be all for it.

No, I do not know that, and such comments only exemplify that the average person on the left has no mental model of how people on the right think, even when given access to innumerable writings showing how they think. Its quite honestly astonishing how little grasp y'all have on the conversation mindset with how much text is dedicated here to debunking/dismantling/bashing it.

If you want to argue Thomas and Alito have actual judicial philosophies in the face of the clear examples of them flip flopping on past positions in recent years in order to benefit the current republican positions you can be my guest

I won't argue for Alito, since he does appear to me as somewhat of a hack, but even his judicial philosophy is absolutely fascinating (e.g., he was the sole dissent on a case somewhat like Skokie v. National Socialists of American, if I think of it later I'll edit accordingly). Thomas, however, has a very idiomatic jkdicialism, but he follows it wherever it leads, and I'm not aware of any case where he strays from it. You have any examples?

EDIT: The case was Snyder v. Phelps, where Alito was the sole dissent. He would have awarded damages to the family of a dead solider whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church.

Well for starters Thomas ruled Trump didn’t need to for go through a disposition in relation to the Stormy trial when he was still president even though he said Bill Clinton had to for Monica

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He's not winning MI, PA and WI EVERS has a 50% Approval rating, the topic is irrelevant , because it's 4% unemployment he lost because it was 9% Unemployment

He is down 10 pts in PA the only poll they have Trump ahead in is NV we don't have to have NV but we are likely to win it it's a bellwether, it's only with 6

Obama won in 2012 the Rust belt with 6% even it gets to 6% it won't go to 9% Trump will still lose because we have Labor shortage

Why do you think Biden that still has Docugate and Hunter are still leading J6 and low unemployment

Gallego, Brown, Kunce, Tester and ALLRED have better Approvals 50% or better than Dolan, Rosedale, Lake, Cru and Hawley and Scott and Justice are the only ones with 50% but we don't have a nominee in FL