Who does better In Pennsylvania?

[Radicalneo]

You can list other

[Consuming is good, it's what we're made for]

Ronda

[TodayJunior]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

It doesn't matter Casey is winning by 10 pts

[CookieDamage]

Trump, he resonates better with WWC and exurban people. At this point both would still do poorly however. DeSantis would not reclaim suburban voters.

[Red Willow]

Trump, slightly. Neither would win.

[Ferguson97]

Trump, but both would lose the state. DeSantis probably won't inspire the same level of turnout in rural areas and would be similarly toxic in suburban areas.

[Suburbia]

Trump.

[Raccoon]

Obviously Trump.. lmao

[WalterWhite]

Trump would do better in Pennsylvania because Ron DeSantis' cultural conservatism would be extremely toxic for Rust Belt voters.

[BG-NY (permanently retired)]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

10% win in PA would suggest a 12-15% nationwide win. You expecting Biden to win a 1984 Reagan landslide brah?

You’re responding to one of the worst, white noise trolls on the site. He registered after the last election and spews some variation on the same nonsense every one of his posts. Likely a sock.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

DeSantis but he's not favored there either

[Radicalneo]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Both are doing better than Romney

[The Mamdani Virus]

DeSantis, he would probably do better in the Southeast and ultimately almost any Republican is going to do well in rural PA these days.

[TDAS04]

Trump, but he’ll still lose to Biden again.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

DeSantis, he would probably do better in the Southeast and ultimately almost any Republican is going to do well in rural PA these days.

Oz and Mastriano didn't do well in rural PA because they couldn't get the base out. DeSantis can't and Trump will.

[The Mamdani Virus]

DeSantis, he would probably do better in the Southeast and ultimately almost any Republican is going to do well in rural PA these days.

Oz and Mastriano didn't do well in rural PA because they couldn't get the base out. DeSantis can't and Trump will.

Weren’t you constantly saying Mastriano would keep it close because of inflation. Anyways, Oz was clearly a victim of racism and Mastriano was so toxic that even many Trump voters couldn’t stomach him.

[Jim Crow]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10.  PA has been center-right the last 2 cycles and in the last 2 midterm cycles as well.  Whoever wins the election will likely win PA by default.

[TodayJunior]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

10% win in PA would suggest a 12-15% nationwide win. You expecting Biden to win a 1984 Reagan landslide brah?

At this rate, with DeSantis' failure to launch and Trump being Trump, quite honestly yes. Especially if DeSantis wins the primary outright and Trump runs third party - 20% chance of happening, but I can see it.

[TodayJunior]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10.  PA has been center-right the last 2 cycles and in the last 2 midterm cycles as well.  Whoever wins the election will likely win PA by default.

And Georgia is a solid red state at heart, yet here we are. PA center-right? Um no...and especially not 2022. Biden is also a good fit for PA.

[Jim Crow]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10.  PA has been center-right the last 2 cycles and in the last 2 midterm cycles as well.  Whoever wins the election will likely win PA by default.

And Georgia is a solid red state at heart, yet here we are. PA center-right? Um no...and especially not 2022. Biden is also a good fit for PA.

You're talking about Georgia or Pennsylvania?  Ok look at the results from the last 2 elections.  PA was center-right.  Are you familiar with what that means?  In fact as the loser of the popular vote, any Trump state in 2016 cannot be center-left.  2022 was not a presidential election year either.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Biden is a good fit for PA, but other than that you're missing the results of elections and aren't familiar with when presidential election years are.  I'll say it again.  Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10 points. 

[TodayJunior]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10.  PA has been center-right the last 2 cycles and in the last 2 midterm cycles as well.  Whoever wins the election will likely win PA by default.

And Georgia is a solid red state at heart, yet here we are. PA center-right? Um no...and especially not 2022. Biden is also a good fit for PA.

You're talking about Georgia or Pennsylvania?  Ok look at the results from the last 2 elections.  PA was center-right.  Are you familiar with what that means?  In fact as the loser of the popular vote, any Trump state in 2016 cannot be center-left.  2022 was not a presidential election year either.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Biden is a good fit for PA, but other than that you're missing the results of elections and aren't familiar with when presidential election years are.  I'll say it again.  Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10 points.  

I was making the point that historical results do not dictate the current electoral playing field (Georgia is still perceived as a red state to some R voters, when in fact it is most certainly NOT - oh well old habits/views die hard).

Pennsylvania was Lean to Likely D in 2022 depending on which race you're referring to. I'm talking in absolutes not relativity to the national results. Yes, Biden won by 4.5% nationally and won PA by just over a point in 2020, so yes, it's "to the right of the mean", but in absolute terms, a W is a W, and PA is likely NOT going to be close. As an aside, if this was 1988, would you say South Dakota or Montana was center-left? I certainly would not. Stats are fun and all, but my point stands.

In PA, Dems are gaining in the places that are increasing in population and the reverse is true for the GOP. The election laws favor Dems across the board in swing states. I'm quite positive the GOP does not stand a chance to flip a swing state in their direction. In fact, they're more likely to lose NC then win a Trump-Biden 2020 state.

[Jim Crow]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10.  PA has been center-right the last 2 cycles and in the last 2 midterm cycles as well.  Whoever wins the election will likely win PA by default.

And Georgia is a solid red state at heart, yet here we are. PA center-right? Um no...and especially not 2022. Biden is also a good fit for PA.

You're talking about Georgia or Pennsylvania?  Ok look at the results from the last 2 elections.  PA was center-right.  Are you familiar with what that means?  In fact as the loser of the popular vote, any Trump state in 2016 cannot be center-left.  2022 was not a presidential election year either.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Biden is a good fit for PA, but other than that you're missing the results of elections and aren't familiar with when presidential election years are.  I'll say it again.  Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10 points.  

I was making the point that historical results do not dictate the current electoral playing field (Georgia is still perceived as a red state to some R voters, when in fact it is most certainly NOT - oh well old habits/views die hard).

Pennsylvania was Lean to Likely D in 2022 depending on which race you're referring to. I'm talking in absolutes not relativity to the national results. Yes, Biden won by 4.5% nationally and won PA by just over a point in 2020, so yes, it's "to the right of the mean", but in absolute terms, a W is a W, and PA is likely NOT going to be close. As an aside, if this was 1988, would you say South Dakota or Montana was center-left? I certainly would not. Stats are fun and all, but my point stands.

In PA, Dems are gaining in the places that are increasing in population and the reverse is true for the GOP. The election laws favor Dems across the board in swing states. I'm quite positive the GOP does not stand a chance to flip a swing state in their direction. In fact, they're more likely to lose NC then win a Trump-Biden 2020 state.

People can perceive Georgia all they want, but it's only a few points from center.  Anything can happen in a governor's race.  Presidential candidates don't win PA by 10 points.  2022 is not related to the topic.  Yes MT and SD had center-left results in 1988.  They were also fairly close in the Clinton elections too.  They can have whatever ideology they want, but in absolute terms, a W is a W. I'm the last person to argue that stats mean everything. However, a simple answer to whether Biden or anyone wins PA by 10, the answer is no and only stats can answer that.  If Democrats are gaining in PA, the election results are showing the exact opposite. 

[Radicalneo]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Sticking by this?

[Radicalneo]

Trump, but neither come close to winning it. It will be close to a 10-point Biden win 18 months from now.

Sticking by this?