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WalterMitty
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« on: March 08, 2007, 07:25:17 PM »

bush won by 4 in the county in 2000.

kerry carried it by 8 in 04.

what caused this swing?
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 07:30:29 PM »

College town - Bloomington.  Bush didn't fall by all THAT much, and Kerry made up Nader's support.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 07:32:17 PM »

College town - Bloomington.  Bush didn't fall by all THAT much, and Kerry made up Nader's support.

here is a stupid question:  are college kids in indiana, particularly state college kids, *that* liberal?  maybe so.

apparently the kids in madison wisconsin are liberal.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2007, 11:16:05 AM »

All the big college towns had similar trends. No matter where. Look at Austin. Look at Missoula. Of course, the levels the parties started from differ.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 02:19:59 PM »
« Edited: March 09, 2007, 03:43:05 PM by Nighthawk »

College town - Bloomington.  Bush didn't fall by all THAT much, and Kerry made up Nader's support.

here is a stupid question:  are college kids in indiana, particularly state college kids, *that* liberal?  maybe so.

apparently the kids in madison wisconsin are liberal.

You would be hard-pressed to find a major state college area that isn't liberal.

I don't have Salt Lake County precinct results, but even the University of Idaho and Idaho State University areas are quite liberal.  You'd be surprised how little it matters about where they draw from; outside of Berkeley, the most liberal college town on the West Coast is Ashland, Oregon (Southern Oregon University) which is - genuinely - the only truly Dem area in southern Oregon.  Kinda weird, isn't it?

Also, I should mention that it's not necessarily the KIDS who are voting.  People make the mistake of assuming college towns are liberal primarily because the students outvote the other residents.  Not so.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 04:49:58 PM »

Where does Nevada have its state uni? Nebraska? Wyoming?
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 04:57:12 PM »

Where does Nevada have its state uni? Nebraska? Wyoming?

University of Nevada is in Reno with a branch campus in Las Vegas.

Nevada State College is located in Henderson, but has about 1,500 students and is in a very suburban area.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 06:19:47 PM »

Where does Nevada have its state uni? Nebraska? Wyoming?

University of Nevada is in Reno with a branch campus in Las Vegas.

Nevada State College is located in Henderson, but has about 1,500 students and is in a very suburban area.

And Nebraska and Wyoming have their state universities in Lincoln and Laramie respectively--not sure of the counties though.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 06:23:15 PM »

And Nebraska and Wyoming have their state universities in Lincoln

Lancaster County. Frustratingly, Dukakis and Clinton barely lost it (twice, in the case of the latter).
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2007, 06:27:00 PM »

College town - Bloomington.  Bush didn't fall by all THAT much, and Kerry made up Nader's support.

here is a stupid question:  are college kids in indiana, particularly state college kids, *that* liberal?  maybe so.

apparently the kids in madison wisconsin are liberal.

You would be hard-pressed to find a major state college area that isn't liberal.

I don't have Salt Lake County precinct results, but even the University of Idaho and Idaho State University areas are quite liberal.  You'd be surprised how little it matters about where they draw from; outside of Berkeley, the most liberal college town on the West Coast is Ashland, Oregon (Southern Oregon University) which is - genuinely - the only truly Dem area in southern Oregon.  Kinda weird, isn't it?

Also, I should mention that it's not necessarily the KIDS who are voting.  People make the mistake of assuming college towns are liberal primarily because the students outvote the other residents.  Not so.

what about college station texas?
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 07:53:45 PM »

College Station is one of your few exceptions (although I'm not sure how conservative the college area itself is, the county is very conservative).
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2007, 07:57:57 PM »

Cleveland County (Norman, OK) is pretty conservative.

Johnson County (Warrensburg, MO) seems to be red or slightly purple, but we CMSUers don't really switch our voting addresses to Warrensburg. Well, I didn't.
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2007, 09:59:45 PM »

Cleveland County (Norman, OK) is pretty conservative.

Johnson County (Warrensburg, MO) seems to be red or slightly purple, but we CMSUers don't really switch our voting addresses to Warrensburg. Well, I didn't.

I'm speaking more of the largest universities in every state, not so much regional universities.  Not sure how big CMSU is.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2007, 10:06:15 PM »

Cleveland County (Norman, OK) is pretty conservative.

Yeah, according to Atlas, Cleveland County was more Republican than the state average.

Also, Tuscaloosa, Alabama went over 60% Bush, though not nearly as GOP as the state average.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 10:35:51 PM »

Cleveland County is insanely polarized.  The college area tends to vote Dem, though; you can tell by looking at the gay marriage results.

I will give you the University of Alabama.  Bush won it, about 57-42.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2007, 10:47:58 PM »

Also, I should mention that it's not necessarily the KIDS who are voting.  People make the mistake of assuming college towns are liberal primarily because the students outvote the other residents.  Not so.

Yes. Kerry won every precinct in my town except one, which is basically the place where people live if they want to stay AWAY from the students.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2007, 11:15:05 PM »

Cleveland County is insanely polarized.  The college area tends to vote Dem, though; you can tell by looking at the gay marriage results.

I will give you the University of Alabama.  Bush won it, about 57-42.

A lot of Southern state schools are Republican. Ole Miss (which is the nickname not of the state but of the lady of a plantation), LSU, Univesity Tennessee in Knoxville. It's a totally different scene down here. University of Georgia is a big exception though.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2007, 02:13:15 AM »

Counties that are dominated by State Universities:

Latah, ID
Whitman, WA
Benton, OR
Cleveland, OK (Which is way too Republican for a College County)
Travis, TX
Brazos, TX
Oktibbeha, MS
Alachua, FL
Clarke, GA
Durham & Orange, NC
Albemarle, VA
Boone, MO
Douglas, KS
Story, IA
Dane, WI
McLean, IL
Monroe & St. Joseph, IN
Ingham & Washtenaw, MI
Athens, OH
Centre, PA   (Penn State doesn't seem to affect this county, must not be a liberal school)
Mercer, NJ
Ulster/Tompkins/Cortland, NY
Tolland, CT
Hampshire, MA
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2007, 03:40:42 AM »

Centre, PA   (Penn State doesn't seem to affect this county, must not be a liberal school)

The 2000 results for State College Borough pretty much say it all.  It's what makes the county competitive.  Penn State is strongly liberal, although not remarkably for a college area.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2007, 03:47:46 AM »
« Edited: March 10, 2007, 04:03:30 AM by Nighthawk »

A lot of Southern state schools are Republican. Ole Miss (which is the nickname not of the state but of the lady of a plantation), LSU, Univesity Tennessee in Knoxville. It's a totally different scene down here. University of Georgia is a big exception though.

I tried to check all of those, but I've lost my file with Mississippi results and Louisiana precincts are impossible to determine the location of with the data I have.

Funny story for University of Tennessee-Knoxville.  The university precinct itself actually gave Bush a very narrow win, but the college neighborhood (around Fort Sanders) is actually fairly Democratic.  Overall, I'd say Kerry won narrowly.  [Edit: Not funny.  Edutainment.]

The South definitely is different though.  The white population is just that Republican.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2007, 05:42:05 AM »

Cleveland, OK (Which is way too Republican for a College County)
Cleveland is suburban OKC.  The population of Moore and the part of OKC within the county is about the same as that of Norman.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2007, 08:31:51 AM »

Cleveland County is insanely polarized.  The college area tends to vote Dem, though; you can tell by looking at the gay marriage results.

I will give you the University of Alabama.  Bush won it, about 57-42.

A lot of Southern state schools are Republican. Ole Miss (which is the nickname not of the state but of the lady of a plantation), LSU, Univesity Tennessee in Knoxville. It's a totally different scene down here. University of Georgia is a big exception though.

university of virginia in charlottesville is another exception.  very liberal.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2007, 10:52:36 AM »

Cleveland County is insanely polarized.  The college area tends to vote Dem, though; you can tell by looking at the gay marriage results.

I will give you the University of Alabama.  Bush won it, about 57-42.

A lot of Southern state schools are Republican. Ole Miss (which is the nickname not of the state but of the lady of a plantation), LSU, Univesity Tennessee in Knoxville. It's a totally different scene down here. University of Georgia is a big exception though.

university of virginia in charlottesville is another exception.  very liberal.

So is UNC-Chapel Hill. Its county (Orange) voted 66% for Kerry.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2007, 02:44:26 PM »

The college areas in Fairbanks and Anchorage were close to fifty-fifty splits. The House Districts they're in both went for Bush by small margins.
While anywhere else in and around Fairbanks is very conservative.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2007, 02:46:32 PM »

And Nebraska and Wyoming have their state universities in Lincoln

Lancaster County.
IIRC it was McGovern's best county in the state - might be confusing him with one of the other Dems to be landslided out of Nebraska in the last forty years though. Smiley
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