6 dead in shooting at Christian elementary school in Nashville

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1641153584053010450

Wait I'm confused, do we need to ban trans people from the military because they're weak and frail, or because they're too aggressive? Conservatives want to have it both ways.

Trump is such an evil man.

What he's saying is their mental weakness is what leads to their physical outburts and aggression.

Are you saying that you, yourself, believe that "trans people" are "mentally weak" and cause them towards "physical outbursts and aggression"?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1641153584053010450

Wait I'm confused, do we need to ban trans people from the military because they're weak and frail, or because they're too aggressive? Conservatives want to have it both ways.

Trump is such an evil man.

What he's saying is their mental weakness is what leads to their physical outburts and aggression.

Are you saying that you, yourself, believe that "trans people" are "mentally weak" and cause them towards "physical outbursts and aggression"?

No, but I was just clarifying what Trump meant to Fergie. I think in this case it applies to the shooter but obviously not all trans people are like that and I know 99% of them are condemning this hate crime and do not support violence.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

This detail from this WP article is really vague, but potentially very disturbing:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooter/

Drake, the police chief, said investigators had interviewed the shooter’s parents. Hale was receiving a “doctor’s care for an emotional disorder,” Drake told reporters at a news briefing; he did not elaborate on what that disorder was or the nature of the treatment.

Did Hale’s parent believe that being trans was an “emotional disorder”? If so, how exactly were they being “treated” for it?

Right, because someone who killed six innocent people clearly didn’t have an emotional disorder…

Hale was clearly emotionally/mentally unwell at the time of the shooting.  But what was the cause of that? 

There’s lot of evidence indicating of mental health problems among trans people being the result of attempts to “treat” them.  And “emotional disorder” is the type of vague language than transphobic people use to justify babaric treatments in lieu of accepting trans identity.

Obviously we need a lot more information.  But the language here just raised a lot of red flags for me.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1641153584053010450

Wait I'm confused, do we need to ban trans people from the military because they're weak and frail, or because they're too aggressive? Conservatives want to have it both ways.

Trump is such an evil man.

What he's saying is their mental weakness is what leads to their physical outburts and aggression.

Are you saying that you, yourself, believe that "trans people" are "mentally weak" and cause them towards "physical outbursts and aggression"?

No, but I was just clarifying what Trump meant to Fergie. I think in this case it applies to the shooter but obviously not all trans people are like that and I know 99% of them are condemning this hate crime and do not support violence.

OK, but trump is not just saying that his statement applies to just "this case." He has made somewhat of a blanket statement about "all trans people in the military." And you seem to be defending his ignorant statement, and that is the impression we are getting.

[Ferguson97]

What he's saying is their mental weakness is what leads to their physical outburts and aggression.

Yeah that's bigoted

[Middle-aged Europe]

I was under the impression that the majority of spree-killers were hetero cis males.

Ban them from the military.

[TheReckoning]

It’s well document that surges in testosterone levels cause people to become more violent. If the shooter was a biological female taking far higher than the natural levels of testosterone, it could explain their homicidal tendencies.

[John Dule]

It’s well document that surges in testosterone levels cause people to become more violent. If the shooter was a biological female taking far higher than the natural levels of testosterone, it could explain their homicidal tendencies.

Good point. I hadn't even thought of that.

[TheReckoning]

It’s well document that surges in testosterone levels cause people to become more violent. If the shooter was a biological female taking far higher than the natural levels of testosterone, it could explain their homicidal tendencies.

Good point. I hadn't even thought of that.

What’s the punchline? I haven’t ever seen you agree with someone other than Santander unironically.

[DaleCooper]

This detail from this WP article is really vague, but potentially very disturbing:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooter/

Drake, the police chief, said investigators had interviewed the shooter’s parents. Hale was receiving a “doctor’s care for an emotional disorder,” Drake told reporters at a news briefing; he did not elaborate on what that disorder was or the nature of the treatment.

Did Hale’s parent believe that being trans was an “emotional disorder”? If so, how exactly were they being “treated” for it?

Right, because someone who killed six innocent people clearly didn’t have an emotional disorder…

Hale was clearly emotionally/mentally unwell at the time of the shooting.  But what was the cause of that?  

There’s lot of evidence indicating of mental health problems among trans people being the result of attempts to “treat” them.  And “emotional disorder” is the type of vague language than transphobic people use to justify babaric treatments in lieu of accepting trans identity.

Obviously we need a lot more information.  But the language here just raised a lot of red flags for me.

Audrey Hale was nearly 30 years old so she'd consent to any kind of treatment, I would think, unless she was debilitated to the point of being a ward of the parents, but I doubt that since all the gun purchases were legal. Of course Republicans believe that deranged people with documented psychological disorders should be allowed to own and purchase guns. As far as I'm concerned Republicans want this to happen. It's the only logical explanation.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1641213795916820480

[All Along The Watchtower]

It saddens and disturbs me deeply that not only are there people who commit such horrifying acts of mayhem for whatever so-called reason, but that far too often (more often than in the past, or so it seems) the responses from so many “sides” are so f—ked up and disgraceful.

So far, there have been but a handful of posts in this thread that I thought were worth reading. FFS, can’t we do better? Or is this forum just as bad as Twitter?!

[RFK 2024]

It saddens and disturbs me deeply that not only are there people who commit such horrifying acts of mayhem for whatever so-called reason, but that far too often (more often than in the past, or so it seems) the responses from so many “sides” are so f—ked up and disgraceful.

So far, there have been but a handful of posts in this thread that I thought were worth reading. FFS, can’t we do better? Or is this forum just as bad as Twitter?!

Mass shootings are literally a daily event and people are so desensitized now it just becomes another statistic.   Even Joe Biden, he opened his first public address after the shooting like it was comedy night in America, and the whole audience was laughing while he talked about his fridge filled with ice cream.  It’s not Twitter or USGD, America is broken.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Mass shootings are literally a daily event and people are so desensitized now it just becomes another statistic.   Even Joe Biden, he opened his first public address after the shooting like it was comedy night in America, and the whole audience was laughing while he talked about his fridge filled with ice cream.  It’s not Twitter or USGD, America is broken.

Mass shootings happen way too often but they aren't daily events.

The "mass shooting" classification is very broad legally (I talked about this in the AR-15 thread) but the public mass shootings that most people think of don't happen daily. The rate they happen at is still unacceptable though.

[Ferguson97]

"Just arm the teachers"

https://twitter.com/rsanderlin/status/1642532929959067652

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

"Just arm the teachers"

https://twitter.com/rsanderlin/status/1642532929959067652

So you're telling me that teachers aren't all John Wick? *pretends to be shocked*

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1721545965402726734
Looks like this was a hate crime towards white Christians?

[DaleCooper]

I was thinking about this recently because I was shocked at how quick the right was to stop using it for political purposes. I figured this would replace the Steve Scalise shooting as their go-to example for radical liberal socialist terrorism or whatever. But now that I consider it, it shouldn't be shocking that this faded away.

School shootings are obviously so emotional for people that it doesn't really matter what identity the perpetrator is, even in the minds of partisan voters. Ultimately, Democrats don't want people like this (transgender or not) to have guns, and Republicans want to do everything in their power to make sure that more people like this shooter acquire guns. That would become immediately obvious if Republicans kept trying to score points with this.

[7,052,770]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1721545965402726734
Looks like this was a hate crime towards white Christians?

This is clearly the fault of liberals who cry about class reductionism. Very much I hear in this manifesto the false consciousness that has permeated our society and the endpoint people ultimately arise to from such rhetoric.

[DaleCooper]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

[DaleCooper]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

It's like if a CRT woke person used 4chan language. Very bizarre. Regardless, she was clearly crazy and never should have been allowed near a gun but Republicans don't want to address this in any way.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

If it's anti-white, then is it also homophobic? She multiple times uses 'those little Fagg!ts' as well in the same breath. Honestly seems like we're trying to find meaning in, as with anyone who could commit a blood chilling act like this, a deeply disturbed monsters raved rantings.

Will be interesting to see if there's any more that comes out about this, but Crowder isn't exactly the "journalist" I would hope to handle this with integrity.

[ingemann]

Didn't we already know from the beginning that this was an anti-Christian hate crime? I'm pretty sure it was discussed here, like, that afternoon.

I guess the race angle wasn't known.

     Yeah, this is the big surprise for me. That the attack was anti-Christian is the most obvious thing in the world, but I don't think anyone predicted it would be anti-white too.

If it's anti-white, then is it also homophobic? She multiple times uses 'those little Fagg!ts' as well in the same breath. Honestly seems like we're trying to find meaning in, as with anyone who could commit a blood chilling act like this, a deeply disturbed monsters raved rantings.

Will be interesting to see if there's any more that comes out about this, but Crowder isn't exactly the "journalist" I would hope to handle this with integrity.

Yes, he won’t handle this with integrity, but it have been half a year since the massacre, and no other new organization had any interest in bringing this up. I really doubt he’s the first one to get this manifesto, but most was happy to let this massacre disappear into the fog of the past.

So yeah, he’s a complete partisan hack, but the fact that he’s the the one breaking the news also show that no one else had the integrity to cover this case.