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« on: March 25, 2023, 10:16:56 AM »

I know one of the least favourite takes of this forum is that 'democrats would be centre right in Europe' and for good reason. With that being said, there are at least some prominent democrats who I think this could accurately apply to, albeit mainly for western and northern europe (can't imagine even the most conservative democrat being in Fidesz). People like Joe Lieberman I could comfortably picture in the moderate wing of the British Tories, same with Michael Bloomberg, who is really only a democrat in the most nominal sense. Can anyone think of any other examples and the 'type' of politician and/or voter this may apply to?
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2023, 10:30:48 AM »

An obvious example would be Josh Gottheimer.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2023, 05:38:56 PM »

Joe Manchin's an obvious choice
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2023, 08:40:35 PM »

Sinema, Manchin, Lieberman, Max Baucus, anyone who supports what Macron is doing with France’s retirement age.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2023, 10:09:16 AM »
« Edited: March 26, 2023, 10:44:56 PM by Mr. Ukucasha »

I know one of the least favourite takes of this forum is that 'democrats would be centre right in Europe' and for good reason. With that being said, there are at least some prominent democrats who I think this could accurately apply to, albeit mainly for western and northern europe (can't imagine even the most conservative democrat being in Fidesz). People like Joe Lieberman I could comfortably picture in the moderate wing of the British Tories, same with Michael Bloomberg, who is really only a democrat in the most nominal sense. Can anyone think of any other examples and the 'type' of politician and/or voter this may apply to?

No. Bloomberg was literally endorsed by London's Labour mayor Sadiq Khan during the 2020 Democratic Primaries.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2023, 10:38:57 PM »
« Edited: March 26, 2023, 11:01:28 PM by S019 »

With the rise of the far right in much of Europe, I think there would actually be much fewer than many expect. But people like Gottheimer and Bloomberg would probably be ex-Tories who left the party some time after Brexit and are Lib Dems now, maybe they joined ChUK somewhere in between. I honestly could also see Gottheimer be a Centrist New Labour style figure, he did come out of Clinton world and New Labour definitely had its fair share of figures who would be out of place in Labour in general.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2023, 03:08:18 AM »

I know one of the least favourite takes of this forum is that 'democrats would be centre right in Europe' and for good reason. With that being said, there are at least some prominent democrats who I think this could accurately apply to, albeit mainly for western and northern europe (can't imagine even the most conservative democrat being in Fidesz). People like Joe Lieberman I could comfortably picture in the moderate wing of the British Tories, same with Michael Bloomberg, who is really only a democrat in the most nominal sense. Can anyone think of any other examples and the 'type' of politician and/or voter this may apply to?

No. Bloomberg was literally endorsed by London's Labour mayor Sadiq Khan during the 2020 Democratic Primaries.

Khan would certainly be a Democrat in the United States, but that's not the question.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2023, 01:44:55 PM »

I see Jared Polis being part of the "liberal" faction of a European conservative party or being part of a faction that is more economically liberal in a European liberal party.

Also, John Delaney - a former CEO of a publicly traded company would almost certainly be on the right almost anywhere but the United States. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2023, 03:00:27 PM »

About half of them - although that half doesn't really include Manchin.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2023, 05:40:27 PM »

About half of them - although that half doesn't really include Manchin.

Unless we're counting, say, Fianna Fail or the old DC.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2023, 09:18:53 PM »

AIUI Dan Lipinski, formerly one of the House Democratic Caucus's sh**ttiest most conservative members, would find himself at home in the German Christian Democratic Union. Lipinski self-advertises as the Pope Leo XIII Fellow on Social Thought at the University of Dallas, expressing a strong affiliation for the type of Catholic social teaching common among Christian Democrats. That said it's worth noting Lipinski himself wavers on still identifying as a Democrat given his obvious squabbles ref. the party's liberalization and secularization.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2023, 07:10:27 AM »

About half of them - although that half doesn't really include Manchin.

Unless we're counting, say, Fianna Fail or the old DC.

Giuseppe Mancini might even be in one of the hilarious microparties who still call themselves DC, especially since the one based in Sicily did quite well at the regionals last year.
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2023, 08:28:08 AM »

the current NYC mayor would fit well in the N-VA, in the sense that they both have strong ties to real estate developers with cocaine addictions and are all bluster and no substance.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2023, 12:40:22 PM »

Why not Manchin?

Not that I disagree, just would like some elaboration on that point.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2023, 02:25:39 PM »

Sinema, Manchin, Lieberman, Max Baucus, anyone who supports what Macron is doing with France’s retirement age.

I disagree here. The Social Democratic Party of Germany voted to increase the pension age to 67 about a decade ago. Macron's reform isn't really that radical.
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