Do you stand with the French protestors?

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Also, I just want to point out that the protesters are most certainly not running around visiting violence on anyone and that for tense protests involving quite literally millions of people that they have actually been remarkably peaceful. No one has died during these latest pension reform sparked protests afaik and 11 people are confirmed as having died during the literally years-long yellow vest protests over 4 years. I think statistically that it'd be unlikely people wouldn't have died over that period with the regularity of protests.

And, as with the BLM protests here in the US, the large majority of those casualties were protesters themselves.

Unless your sister is actively engaging in the protests then I doubt the risk to her is much greater than at any other time. And I do, of course, hope that it stays that way if she's there for extended periods and certainly I would understand your own personal concerns for her safety.

Nathan pretty much covered everything else succinctly, so I'll leave it at that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Of course not as the retirement age should be raised and should be around 67.

[S019]

No, 62 is a pretty low age by the standards of the world and a raise to 64 is perfectly reasonable, though personally I’d raise it to 65-67.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Of course not as the retirement age should be raised and should be around 67.

I hope it'll be 85 when you become that old.

No, 62 is a pretty low age by the standards of the world and a raise to 64 is perfectly reasonable, though personally I’d raise it to 65-67.

Same for you

Work till you die.

If global standard was actually that high, you'd all support it because it is the global standard. And given none of us are that old, all of us lack the perspective of knowing that this is wrong.

Who cares about 60 year olds, if we're 27. But what if we are that old?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Of course not as the retirement age should be raised and should be around 67.

I hope it'll be 85 when you become that old.

No, 62 is a pretty low age by the standards of the world and a raise to 64 is perfectly reasonable, though personally I’d raise it to 65-67.

Same for you

Work till you die.

If global standard was actually that high, you'd all support it because it is the global standard. And given none of us are that old, all of us lack the perspective of knowing that this is wrong.

Who cares about 60 year olds, if we're 27. But what if we are that old?

It’s 67 in the US

[courts]

yes

[S019]

Of course not as the retirement age should be raised and should be around 67.

I hope it'll be 85 when you become that old.

No, 62 is a pretty low age by the standards of the world and a raise to 64 is perfectly reasonable, though personally I’d raise it to 65-67.

Same for you

Work till you die.

If global standard was actually that high, you'd all support it because it is the global standard. And given none of us are that old, all of us lack the perspective of knowing that this is wrong.

Who cares about 60 year olds, if we're 27. But what if we are that old?

This argument is unconvincing and petty, I disagree with Antonio's argument that raising the retirement age will slowly lead to decline in the French society, but it is at least something instead of weird rants, also we already know you hate the status quo, so why should I take anything you say on it seriously?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

There was significant deregulation after the failure of Mitterrand's economic strategy, especially after the defeat of the PS in the 1986 legislative elections and subsequent governments have often done a little bit themselves: an interesting case was the Jospin government which deregulated in some areas while also increasing universal access to social services. But this is always a more complicated issue in France as postwar state corporatism was largely the work of conservative governments of one sort or another and was generally designed with conservative interests in mind: and that even when this was not the case, it was a product of compromise with them. Which, of course, is another reason why Macron's present actions have produced the backlash that they have: there's a sense that he's gleefully tearing up old social compromises, and it isn't just whatever is left of the Left that finds that obnoxious.

[jaichind]

No

[Diabolical Materialism]

Wow American liberals are p#ssies

[Xing]

Yes, absolutely. I reject the notion that the global standard for retirement age is a good barometer, given just how much of one’s life and livelihood they’re expected to sacrifice to simply make a living. Just because France is better in this regard than the exploitative dystopia that is the American workplace doesn’t mean that we should be taking the “middle ground” of the two. Screw Macron.

[YE]

I don’t see a good reason to raise the retirement age anywhere in this day and age with automation running the risk of an oversized labor pool.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

Funny how you don’t trust the outcomes of official investigations when it doesn’t fit your pre establishment notions and instead go of conspiracy theories .

[President Johnson]

Of course not as the retirement age should be raised and should be around 67.

I tend to agree with this. I certainly support Macron's pension reform. It's also 67 in Germany.

However, I think there shouldn't necessarily be fixed retirement age and more of a x number of years to work. The job itsself is also factor. Someone who started at 17 or 18 as a construction worker shouldn't (and mostly can't work) to 67. Someone who started his first job in the late 20s after university and mostly sits behind a desk can usually retire later.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

Funny how you don’t trust the outcomes of official investigations when it doesn’t fit your pre establishment notions and instead go of conspiracy theories .

Iran-Contra was objectively treason.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

Funny how you don’t trust the outcomes of official investigations when it doesn’t fit your pre establishment notions and instead go of conspiracy theories .

Iran-Contra was objectively treason.

No its not lol. The CIA did a bunch of shady stuff during the cold war and that was another example.

Literally the biggest difference is Iran-Contra was done to go around the limits Congress put on the CIA in the mid 1970s but the objectives were no more shady than a lot of stuff done in the cold war and certains not worse than a lot of Eisenhower's actions in Iran or Guatemala .

[Antonio the Sixth]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

Funny how you don’t trust the outcomes of official investigations when it doesn’t fit your pre establishment notions and instead go of conspiracy theories .

Iran-Contra was objectively treason.

No its not lol. The CIA did a bunch of shady stuff during the cold war and that was another example.

Literally the biggest difference is Iran-Contra was done to go around the limits Congress put on the CIA in the mid 1970s but the objectives were no more shady than a lot of stuff done in the cold war and certains not worse than a lot of Eisenhower's actions in Iran or Guatemala .

"Literally the biggest difference is that it was illegal"

uh, yeah, that sounds like a pretty big deal to me

[OSR stands with Israel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but France was one of the few western countries that didn't have a government that deregulated in the 1980s. UK had Thatcher, US had Treason, Canada had Mulroney, Germany Kohl, etc.

It's fundamentally a more collectivist nation in my experience.

Funny how you don’t trust the outcomes of official investigations when it doesn’t fit your pre establishment notions and instead go of conspiracy theories .

Iran-Contra was objectively treason.

No its not lol. The CIA did a bunch of shady stuff during the cold war and that was another example.

Literally the biggest difference is Iran-Contra was done to go around the limits Congress put on the CIA in the mid 1970s but the objectives were no more shady than a lot of stuff done in the cold war and certains not worse than a lot of Eisenhower's actions in Iran or Guatemala .

"Literally the biggest difference is that it was illegal"

uh, yeah, that sounds like a pretty big deal to me

It's not Treason though

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Sure I might support the change, but not one year over 65. And I would not vote for anybody who thinks otherwise.

[Sir Mohamed]

Not really, tbh, France is a strange protest culture anyway. I think Macron's pension reform is necessary to keep the system solvent in the foreseeable future and a retirement age of 64 isn't actually that high. Should actually be 65-67.