Happy Bloody Monday!

[free my dawg]

We will never forget. And we will repay them in kind.

Oh yes, it's such an injustice that the candidate with a third of the vote was not nominated and someone else got to win a majority of the voters.

Very clearly not what this is about but go off

You don't have an inherent right to have your candidate nominated-the Democratic politicians have their right to support other candidates and the voters make the decision. There was nothing unfair about the primary.

And they would have been decided naturally without Obamush and the rest of the party trying to stop Bernie.

[Pericles]

We will never forget. And we will repay them in kind.

Oh yes, it's such an injustice that the candidate with a third of the vote was not nominated and someone else got to win a majority of the voters.

Very clearly not what this is about but go off

You don't have an inherent right to have your candidate nominated-the Democratic politicians have their right to support other candidates and the voters make the decision. There was nothing unfair about the primary.

And they would have been decided naturally without Obamush and the rest of the party trying to stop Bernie.

I don't see what the problem is with them preferring Biden over Bernie and having their act together to support the candidate most likely to win.

[Gopchick]

What will happen on the next Bloody Monday?

LOL! Kyle Kulinski now thinks Marianne is definitely more electable than Biden!

Please Dems nominate her.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Lol, I still can't believe Sanders and his supports thought that 30-ish % in each state was going to be a winning coalition in that primary.

If he consistently won all the early states clearly, even with pluralities, he probably would have been able to grow his appeal as the campaign went on to survive candidates dropping out, like what happened for Trump in 2016.

And honestly, if not for Biden ending up with a giant romp in South Carolina, it probably would have worked.

[Pericles]

Lol, I still can't believe Sanders and his supports thought that 30-ish % in each state was going to be a winning coalition in that primary.

If he consistently won all the early states clearly, even with pluralities, he probably would have been able to grow his appeal as the campaign went on to survive candidates dropping out, like what happened for Trump in 2016.

And honestly, if not for Biden ending up with a giant romp in South Carolina, it probably would have worked.

Trump had winner take all rules boosting him while Sanders had to actually earn majority support from Democratic voters. It could have worked but there is a decent chance that he would have merely got the most delegates but not a majority.

[RFK 2024]

Hopefully this happens in 2024 with Republicans coalescing around a single anti-Trump candidate.  I've noticed that primaries with too many candidates can lead to extreme choices being nominated like McGovern 1972 and Trump 2016.  Would hate for that to happen again.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Lol, I still can't believe Sanders and his supports thought that 30-ish % in each state was going to be a winning coalition in that primary.

That's pretty much how Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump won their debut primary campaigns, so it makes plenty of sense.

No, it doesn't make sense in Bernie's case. Idk about Carter, but Trump was only able to do that because of the winner-take-all states. Trump would eke out a win with like 30-40% of the vote in a given state, then get all the delegates. The 2020 Democratic primaries didn't have any winner-take-all states, it was mostly proportional allocation (plus whatever in god's name they do in caucus states). So there was no way for any candidate to win an outright majority like Trump did without being able to win an outright majority of the popular vote in a large number of states. The Sanders campaign even admitted that their strategy was to force a brokered convention.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Not this myth again.

The Sanders campaign admitted that their strategy was to force a brokered convention - they knew they couldn't win an outright majority of delegates, so going into the convention with the largest number of delegates would do the trick. Not the worst strategy in the world if you believe that you can't win outright, but it does open you up to the possibility that the field clears out, which is basically what happened when Klob and Butti dropped out.

So with that established, let's also establish a few other things:

1. After Nevada and SC, it was clear that Buttigieg's goose was cooked. He won Iowa on a technicality after spending most of his effort into that caucus, and came close in NH, close to Bernie's home turf. This was a very strong performance for an upstart nobody, especially compared to Biden's early implosion. But that was it. The momentum built by the early states showed no signs of life in Nevada and South Carolina, further confirming the fears that Buttigieg couldn't appeal to minorities.

2. As for Klobuchar, what I said above but even more so.

3. As for Biden, when Buttigieg and Klobuchar stopped being viable, he was basically the last man standing on the "establishment" wing. There was Bloomberg, but he wasn't the one who swept South Carolina - not to mention, Bloomberg is a former Republican, Biden was Obama's right-hand man.

4. Like I mentioned, Super Tuesday actually wasn't a two-horse race. Bernie supporters love to point out that Warren stayed in the race and potentially cost Bernie votes. Fair enough...but let's not forget that Biden had his own Bernie in the form of Michael Bloomberg. Bloomberg did roughly as well as Warren on Super Tuesday, and apart from someone who just wants a Jewish president above all, I can't imagine a Bloomberg voter who wouldn't have otherwise gone for Biden. I guess there's Tulsi too but she was barely registering - but essentially, both Biden and Sanders had "spoiler candidates", and Biden outperformed.

5. How would you have stopped "Bloody Monday"? Force candidates to stay in the race? No, of course not, that's completely impracticable. Ban candidates from making endorsements? Holy First Amendment violation Batman. Literally, how on earth could you stop candidates from dropping out of an election and/or making endorsements? Because, let's be clear, that is all that we know happened.

All these things we've known for three years now. You can make a case that the DNC played dirty tricks to stop Bernie in 2016, but it is very clear what happened in 2020, and it wasn't foul play.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Not this myth again.

The Sanders campaign admitted that their strategy was to force a brokered convention - they knew they couldn't win an outright majority of delegates, so going into the convention with the largest number of delegates would do the trick. Not the worst strategy in the world if you believe that you can't win outright, but it does open you up to the possibility that the field clears out, which is basically what happened when Klob and Butti dropped out.

So with that established, let's also establish a few other things:

1. After Nevada and SC, it was clear that Buttigieg's goose was cooked. He won Iowa on a technicality after spending most of his effort into that caucus, and came close in NH, close to Bernie's home turf. This was a very strong performance for an upstart nobody, especially compared to Biden's early implosion. But that was it. The momentum built by the early states showed no signs of life in Nevada and South Carolina, further confirming the fears that Buttigieg couldn't appeal to minorities.

2. As for Klobuchar, what I said above but even more so.

3. As for Biden, when Buttigieg and Klobuchar stopped being viable, he was basically the last man standing on the "establishment" wing. There was Bloomberg, but he wasn't the one who swept South Carolina - not to mention, Bloomberg is a former Republican, Biden was Obama's right-hand man.

4. Like I mentioned, Super Tuesday actually wasn't a two-horse race. Bernie supporters love to point out that Warren stayed in the race and potentially cost Bernie votes. Fair enough...but let's not forget that Biden had his own Bernie in the form of Michael Bloomberg. Bloomberg did roughly as well as Warren on Super Tuesday, and apart from someone who just wants a Jewish president above all, I can't imagine a Bloomberg voter who wouldn't have otherwise gone for Biden. I guess there's Tulsi too but she was barely registering - but essentially, both Biden and Sanders had "spoiler candidates", and Biden outperformed.

5. How would you have stopped "Bloody Monday"? Force candidates to stay in the race? No, of course not, that's completely impracticable. Ban candidates from making endorsements? Holy First Amendment violation Batman. Literally, how on earth could you stop candidates from dropping out of an election and/or making endorsements? Because, let's be clear, that is all that we know happened.

All these things we've known for three years now. You can make a case that the DNC played dirty tricks to stop Bernie in 2016, but it is very clear what happened in 2020, and it wasn't foul play.

Pretty much this. The alt-left just can't comprehend that the man they idolized is actually a s***ty candidate. He had the best primary calendar possible, oodles more money than his opponents, and the Democratic establishment ready to embrace him after his Nevada win.
And he still managed to blow it and lose in a landslide.

[Pres Mike]

5. How would you have stopped "Bloody Monday"? Force candidates to stay in the race? No, of course not, that's completely impracticable. Ban candidates from making endorsements? Holy First Amendment violation Batman. Literally, how on earth could you stop candidates from dropping out of an election and/or making endorsements? Because, let's be clear, that is all that we know happened.

All these things we've known for three years now. You can make a case that the DNC played dirty tricks to stop Bernie in 2016, but it is very clear what happened in 2020, and it wasn't foul play.

I think what angers a lot of Bernie supporters is the fact that several canididates, despite having no chance, swore they were going to stay in to the convention.

I remember people like Cory Booker giving interviews saying they were in for the long haul.

How many debates did we have with several canidiates polling 0-1%?

A lot of people found it hard to belive a bunch of self serving politicans suddenly changed course