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« on: March 18, 2023, 09:03:44 PM »

Ben Barnes...the top Kerry donor and Democratic politician? Why would we believe him? His explanation for not revealing it at the time doesn't make sense either.

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Mr. Barnes said he did not reveal the real story at the time to avoid blowback from his own party. “I don’t want to look like Benedict Arnold to the Democratic Party by participating in this,” he recalled explaining to a friend. The headlines at the time, he imagined, would have been scandalous. “I did not want that to be on my obituary at all.”

How would Barnes have looked like a Benedict Arnold for having revealed Connolly's treachery?

This was also investigated multiple times and found to be bunk .


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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2023, 09:09:15 PM »

Just another reason to add to my list of why Reagan is the worst President we've had in modern times; in many ways, worse than even Trump. Glad that POS is long gone and even the GOP has dumped his legacy into the trash, especially among the base.

The GOP politicians haven’t dumped his legacy as Trump still governed as a Reaganite despite all that rhetoric
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2023, 09:18:44 PM »

Ben Barnes...the top Kerry donor and Democratic politician? Why would we believe him? His explanation for not revealing it at the time doesn't make sense either.

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Mr. Barnes said he did not reveal the real story at the time to avoid blowback from his own party. “I don’t want to look like Benedict Arnold to the Democratic Party by participating in this,” he recalled explaining to a friend. The headlines at the time, he imagined, would have been scandalous. “I did not want that to be on my obituary at all.”

How would Barnes have looked like a Benedict Arnold for having revealed Connolly's treachery?

This was also investigated multiple times and found to be bunk .



Previous investigations didn't touch on Connally's involvement:
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Suspicions about the Reagan camp’s interactions with Iran circulated quietly for years until Gary Sick, a former national security aide to Mr. Carter, published a guest essay in The New York Times in April 1991 advancing the theory, followed by a book, “October Surprise,” published that November.

The term “October surprise” was originally used by the Reagan camp to describe its fears that Mr. Carter would manipulate the hostage crisis to effect a release just before the election.

To forestall such a scenario, Mr. Casey was alleged to have met with representatives of Iran in July and August 1980 in Madrid leading to a deal supposedly finalized in Paris in October in which a future Reagan administration would ship arms to Tehran through Israel in exchange for the hostages being held until after the election.

The House and Senate separately authorized investigations and both ultimately rejected the claims. The bipartisan House task force, led by a Democrat, Representative Lee H. Hamilton of Indiana, and controlled by Democrats 8 to 5, concluded in a consensus 968-page report that Mr. Casey was not in Madrid at the time and that stories of covert dealings were not backed by credible testimony, documents or intelligence reports.

Still, a White House memo produced in November 1991 by a lawyer for President George H.W. Bush reported the existence of “a cable from the Madrid embassy indicating that Bill Casey was in town, for purposes unknown.” That memo was not turned over to Mr. Hamilton’s task force and was discovered two decades later by Robert Parry, a journalist who helped produce a “Frontline” documentary on the October surprise.

Reached by telephone this past week, Mr. Sick said he never heard of any involvement by Mr. Connally but saw Mr. Barnes’s account as verifying the broad concerns he had raised. “This is really very interesting and it really does add significantly to the base level of information on this,” Mr. Sick said. “Just the fact that he was doing it and debriefed Casey when he got back means a lot.” The story goes “further than anything that I’ve seen thus far,” he added. “So this is really new.”

Sure but how do we know this testimony is even credible cause an investigation would have found out any unusual trips that were made . This seems more like just a way to try to give credibility to a a conspiracy theory as the fact is you would need far more than this statement to claim the Reagan camp sabotaged the hostage release .

Nixon was outright cause on tape and LBJ is recorded calling it treason which is why their is evidence of that .
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2023, 09:19:28 PM »

"It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election" badly misses the point of why this article is worthwhile. Having an actual timeline on the record that can be read and discussed is far preferable to four decades of idle speculation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory#Background

Investigations page of this
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2023, 01:40:50 AM »

Why on Earth would the Clintons still be friends with Kissinger if Nixon and Kissinger did actually sabotage the Paris Talks? They were against the Vietnam War. That's my big flaw with that theory. Plus, we don't hear Obama or Biden calling for his arrest, instead they ask him for advice.

Kissinger really didnt get close to Nixon until after the election. He was mainly working for Rockefeller until then.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2023, 10:52:24 AM »

It's f**king unbelievable that Republicans still get to brand themselves as the patriotic parties after three of their presidents in the past half-century were traitors.

This conspiracy theory has very little evidence and multiple investigations found it to be bunk
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2023, 12:01:48 PM »

How I would love to watch a revised version of the American Experience's documentary on Ronald Reagan with this explosive finding (newly confirmed) incorporated into it.

This isn’t  close to confirmation that this happened as more detailed investigations found that it didn’t happen .

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2023, 12:07:06 PM »

It's f**king unbelievable that Republicans still get to brand themselves as the patriotic parties after three of their presidents in the past half-century were traitors.

This conspiracy theory has very little evidence and multiple investigations found it to be bunk

Is your stance that the hostages being released just moments after Reagan being sworn in is a coincidence?

Absolutely and multiple investigations showed that it was a coincidence  . The reason they were released right after Reagan was inaugurated was because the Iranians wanted to embarrass Carter one last time before he left .

Funny though how you guys act just like you accuse the other side of acting when results of investigations don’t suit your pre established narrative .

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2023, 07:05:51 PM »

What a joke. Just because the red avatars so badly want this to be true doesn’t make it so.

What a joke to claim a first person narrative of this from someone involved isn't true. Just because blue avatars went so bad for this not to be the case doesn't mean it isn't.

You mean the hostages being released a few minutes after Reagan was sworn in as president wasn't a totally innocent coincidence? Shocked Shocked Shocked

Amazing how liberals sound like election deniers when its comes to their conspiracy theories .

"It must be totally a coincidence that Biden got 80% of the Mail in Vote in PA"
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