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« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2009, 02:29:37 AM »

38th:George McGovern 1973-1977
39th:Ronald Reagan 1977-1981
40th:George McGovern 1981-1985

LOL Original, George's back !
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« Reply #151 on: May 18, 2009, 04:36:36 PM »

32th:Franklin Roosevelt 1933–1945
33th:Henry A. Wallace 1945-1949

34th:Douglas MacArthur 1949-1957
35th:Richard Nixon 1957-1994
36th:Dick Cheney 1994-1997

37th:John McCain 1997-2001
38th:Chuck Hagel 2001-2005
39th:Jeb Bush 2005-2009

40th:Skip Humphrey 2009-
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« Reply #152 on: May 18, 2009, 09:49:54 PM »

32th:Franklin Roosevelt 1933–1945
33th:Henry A. Wallace 1945-1949

34th:Douglas MacArthur 1949-1957
35th:Richard Nixon 1957-1994
36th:Dick Cheney 1994-1997

37th:John McCain 1997-2001
38th:Chuck Hagel 2001-2005
39th:Jeb Bush 2005-2009

40th:Skip Humphrey 2009-

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« Reply #153 on: May 18, 2009, 10:27:46 PM »

Here's one possibility resulting from JFK living - it's a bit of a "second order" counterfactual, whereby a familiar pattern reasserts itself. (Using the regular "red=R," "blue=D" scheme)

35. John F. Kennedy (D, 1961-1969)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D, 1969-1973)
37. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R, 1973-1977)
38. Edward M. Kennedy (D, 1977-1981)
39. Ronald Reagan (R, 1981-1989)
40. Richard Lugar (R, 1989-1993)

41. William J. "Bill" Clinton (D, 1993-2001)
42. John S. McCain, III (R, 2001-2009)
43. Barack Obama (D, 2009-present)
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« Reply #154 on: May 19, 2009, 12:49:14 AM »

Here's one possibility resulting from JFK living - it's a bit of a "second order" counterfactual, whereby a familiar pattern reasserts itself. (Using the regular "red=R," "blue=D" scheme)

35. John F. Kennedy (D, 1961-1969)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D, 1969-1973)
37. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R, 1973-1977)
38. Edward M. Kennedy (D, 1977-1981)
39. Ronald Reagan (R, 1981-1989)
40. Richard Lugar (R, 1989-1993)

41. William J. "Bill" Clinton (D, 1993-2001)
42. John S. McCain, III (R, 2001-2009)
43. Barack Obama (D, 2009-present)

My one ( I did a mini-timeline ) was that :

Kennedy : 1961-1969
Johnson : 1969-1973
Rockefeller : 1973-1977
Reagan : 1977-1985
G. H. W. Bush : 1985-1989
Gore : 1989-1997
J. Bush : 1997-2001
Dean : 2001-2009
McCain : 2009-


32th:Franklin Roosevelt 1933–1945
33th:Henry A. Wallace 1945-1949

34th:Douglas MacArthur 1949-1957
35th:Richard Nixon 1957-1994
36th:Dick Cheney 1994-1997

37th:John McCain 1997-2001
38th:Chuck Hagel 2001-2005
39th:Jeb Bush 2005-2009

40th:Skip Humphrey 2009-

Wow, Nixon president for limetime ? Shocked
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« Reply #155 on: May 27, 2009, 09:19:35 AM »

Ok here's the list based on my unfinished mini TL, which was based on the POD that Rocky wins the '64 nomination, leaving Goldwater to take the '68 nomination and the Presidency

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969
37. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ):  January 20th 1969-April 10th 1972*
38. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): April 10th 1972-October 10th 1973**
39. Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME): October 10th 1973-January 20th 1977
40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981

41. John H. Glenn Jr. (D-OH): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
42. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown (D-CA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

43. Barry Goldwater Jr. (R-AZ): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
44. Andrew Young (D-GA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
45. Hillary Rodham-Goldwater (R-FL): January 20th 2009-???

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37. Assasinated by Arthur Bremer while on the campaign trail
38. Resigned the Presidency after discovery of bribery charges
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« Reply #156 on: May 27, 2009, 09:30:35 AM »

Ok...here is the list of Presidents for my second unfinished MiniTL, Rocky's Road...About a Rockefeller Presidential Dynasty

Rocky's Road

34. Dwight “Ike” Eisenhower (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Nelson A. “Rocky” Rockefeller (R-NY): January 20th 1961-October 1st 1962*
36. Roman Hruska (R-NE): October 1st 1962-January 20th 1965

37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
38. Winthrop Rockefeller (R-AK): January 20th 1969-Febuary 22nd 1973*
39. Robert P. Griffin (R-MI): February 22nd 1973-January 20th 1981

40. Lawton M. Chiles Jr. (D-FL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Hugh Carey (D-NY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. James D. “Dan” Quayle (R-IN): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
43. Colin Powell (D-NY): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
44. Winthrop P. Rockefeller (R-AK): January 20th 2005-July 16th 2006*
45. Olympia Snowe (R-ME): July 16th 2006-???


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35. Rocky is assasinated by a White Segregationist, while escorting James Meredith to the University of Mississippi.
38. Winthrop dies of Pancreatic cancer as IOTL.
44. Wintrhop Paul dies of Myeloproliferative disease as IOTL.
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« Reply #157 on: May 27, 2009, 12:22:14 PM »

45. Hillary Rodham-Goldwater (R-FL): January 20th 2009-???

LOL That is great ! Cheesy
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« Reply #158 on: May 27, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »

A little different Bradley effect is the POD.

The Bradley Effect

41st: George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) Republican
42nd: Thomas J. "Tom" Bradley (1993-1998) Democrat*
43rd: Bob Kerrey (1998-2001) Democrat
44th: John S. McCain III (2001-2009) Republican
45th: Francis A. "Frank" Keating (2009-??) Republican

41: Tom Bradley was elected Governor in 1982 and reelected Governor in the following 1986 Gubernatorial Election. After this, Governor Bradley would be swayed to make a Presidential run in 1992, Bradley would push himself through the primaries to the nomination. In the General Election he would win against incumbent President Bush. Bradley then became the first even African American to serve as President. Bradley would serve with honor, being reelected in 1996 but in 1998 his life was cut short after a suprise heart attack killed President Bradley and put Vice President Kerrey into office.
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« Reply #159 on: May 30, 2009, 12:06:26 AM »

Just a dumb little though of a near continual Bush/Clinton dynasty in America.

Monarchical Democracy

41. George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) Republican
42. William J. "Bill" Clinton (1993-2001) Democrat
43. George W. Bush (2001-2009) Republican
44. Hillary R. Clinton (2009-2017) Democrat
45. John E. "Jeb" Bush (2017-2025) Republican
46. Chelsea C. Kane (2025-2033) Democrat
47. George P. Bush (2033-2041) Republican
48. Manuel "Manny" Brantley (2041-??) Independent*

48. After 52 Years of Bushism/Cintonite rule, American turns to the more obscure politician Senator Brantley to lead the nation. Calling on reform and change for the American Republic during the 2040 Presidential Election and reamending the Constitution to allow President to just serve two terms once again and other major reforms, "Manny" Brantley would become the 48th President of the United States come January.
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« Reply #160 on: June 01, 2009, 12:23:35 PM »

POD Nixon wins in 1960.

Richard Nixon (R-CA) (1961-1969)
Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) (1969-1977)
Edmund Muskie (D-ME) (1977-1981)
George H.W. Bush (R-TX) (1981-1989)
Phil Crane (R-IL) (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (D-AR) (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (R-TX) (2001-2009)
Barack Obama (D-IL) (2009-
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« Reply #161 on: June 01, 2009, 01:46:56 PM »

New Progressives

30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-1925) R
31. Robert LaFollette Sr (1925) P*
32. Burton Wheeler (1925-1929) P/D
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33. Charles Curtis (1929-1933) R
34. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) D*
35. Henry A. Wallace (1945-1949) D/P*
36. Thomas Dewey (1949-1957) R
37. Earl Warren (1957-1962) R*
38. Leverett Saltonstall (1962-1965) R
39. Hubert Humphrey (1965-1973) D
40. John Ashbrook (1973-1977) R
41. Bronson LaFollette (1977-1981) D
42. Bob Dole (1981) R*
43. Howard Baker (1981-1989) R
44. Bruce Babbit (1989-1993) D
45. Jack Kemp (1993-2001) R
46. John McCain (2001) R*
47. Fred Thompson (2001-2005) R*
48. John Edwards (2005-??) D*

31. LaFollette dies in 1925 of Cardiovascular Disease like OTL

32. Wheeler takes over the presidency and is luke warm at it, in 1928 Wheeler runs for the Democratic nomination after declaring himself a half breed "Democratic-Progressive" candidate for President. He fails and takes his candidacy to a Progressive ticket.

34. Roosevelt is elected in 1933 and dies in 1945 like in OTL but keeps Henry Wallace as VP.

35. Henry A. Wallace becomes President and has a hard time working with Congress, this leads to a "Boot Wallace" at the Democratic Convention in 1948 and succeeds. Wallace then runs on a Progressive third party ticket for the Presidency.

37. Earl Warren serves as VP under Dewey and succeeds Dewey as President in the 1956 Election. After reelection in 1960, President Warren is shot by a pro segregationist supporters when visiting Alabama to meet with MLK.

42. After winning the 1980 Election, Dole becomes the next victim of "Tecumseh's Curse" after only a short time in office.

46. President McCain also becomes another victim of "Tecumseh's Curse" a short time in office.

47. VP Fred Thompson is thrusted into an uneasy time as shortly after taking office, "9/11" occurs and shakes the nations and sends the nation into a war in Afghanistan.  After the waiting and pressure on Iraq and Saddam Hussein by the Thompson Administration, unsatisfaction built as Thompson's approval ratings fell.

48. Democrats would fight in the primaries as John Edwards and Howard Dean fought it out for the nomination, ultimately leading Edwards to win and some progressive Democrats to try and get Dean to run as a third party candidate in the election. Edwards played up the dissatisfaction with the Thompson Administration and won in 2004. He would win reelection in 2008 in a very close race as the economy began to go down hill and allegations of affairs by Edwards on his cancer stricken wife would crop up. Come 2009, the allegations turned into facts as a sentiment for Impeachment for President Edwards began to grow in Congress....
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« Reply #162 on: June 01, 2009, 02:24:10 PM »

Something I came up with in two minutes. Reagan gets the nomination in 1976.
Ronald Wilson Reagan (R-CA), 1977-1981
Lloyd Millard Bentsen (D-TX), 1981-1989
Albert Arnold "Al" Gore (D-TN), 1989-1993
John Sidney McCain (R-AZ), 1993-2001
Howard Brush Dean (D-VT), 2001-2005
Thomas Joseph Ridge (R-PA), 2005-2009
Barack Hussein Obama (D-IL), 2009-
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« Reply #163 on: June 03, 2009, 01:25:17 PM »

Here is if Spanish-American War Veteran and American Hero, won the Democratic Nomination in 1900 and unseated Mckinley for the Presidency.

25. William McKinnely (R-OH): March 4th 1897-March 4th 1901
26. George Dewey (D-VT): March 4th 1901-January 16th 1904*
27. Charles A. Towne (D-MN): January 16th 1904-March 4th 1913

28. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY): March 4th 1913-January 6th 1919*
29. Hiram Johnson (R-CA): January 6th 1919-March 4th 1921

30. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN): March 4th 1921-June 1st 1925*
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): June 1st 1925-March 4th 1933

32. Herbert Hoover (R-CA): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Theodore Roosevelt II (R-NY): January 20th 1941-July 12th 1944*
34. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI): July 12th 1944-January 20th 1949

35. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
36. W. Averell Harriman (D-NY): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

37. Cecil H. Underwood (R-WV): January 20th 1961-Feburary 12th 1964*
38. Everett McKinley Dirksen (R-IL): February 12th 1964-January 20th 1969

39. Joseph Patrick Kennedy Jr.  (D-MA):  January 20th 1969-August 12th 1974*
40. George Smathers (D-FL): August 12th 1974-January 20th 1981

41. Robert H. Finch (R-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
42. Howard Baker (R-TN): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

43. John D. “Jay” Rockefeller IV (D-WV): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
44. John S. McCain III (R-AZ): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
45. Michelle Robinson-Jordan (D-IL): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.

26. Assassinated by Leon Czolgosz
28. Dies in his sleep of a coronary embolism as IOTL.
30. Dies in Office as IOTL.
33. Dies of a heart attack while in office.
37. Assassinated by a White Segregationist in Mobile, Alabama
39. Dies in an Air Force One Plane Crash.
45. First Female, African-American President(An Alt version of OTL Michelle Obama)

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« Reply #164 on: June 04, 2009, 08:47:18 PM »
« Edited: June 30, 2009, 11:47:26 PM by Mechaman »

President and Vice President rules (both on same ticket, ascendancy, plus a rule on assigning a new VP) are set at the Constitutional Convention. 12th Amendment is never passed due to it not being needed. The two term rule is univerally accepted by all presidents. Lots of controversy in this timeline to the point where there is a joke made about going to the White House:"White House:Because smoking and drinking aren't the only bad things for your health!" This is pretty long so I'll have to do another post to finish off the notes.
1. John Hancock(MA)/John Jay(NY) (Federalist) 1789-1793
2.Thomas Pinckney(SC)/Alexander Hamilton(VA) 1793-1801 (Federalist)*
3.Thomas Jefferson(VA)/George Clinton(NY) 1801-1809/(Democratic-Republican)
4. James Madison(VA)/John Q. Adams(MA) 1809-1817 (Democratic-Republican)*
5.James Monroe(VA)/Daniel D. Tompkins(NY) 1817-1825 (Democratic Republican)*
6.John Q. Adams(MA)/William Crawford(GA) 1825-1828 (Democratic Republican)1828-1829 (Democratic)
7.Henry Clay(KY)/Richard Rush(PA) 1829-1833 (National Republican)
8.William Smith(SC)/Andrew Jackson(TN) 1833 (Democratic)*
9.Andrew Jackson(TN)/Martin Van Buren(NY) 1833-1841 (Democratic)
10.Daniel Webster(MA)/John Tyler(VA) 1841-1845 (Whig)
11.Martin Van Buren(NY)/John Fairfield(ME) 1845-1850 (Democratic)*
12.John Fairfield(ME)/Franklin Pierce(NH) 1850-1853 (Democratic)
13.Stephen A Douglas(IL)/Jefferson Davis(MS) 1853-1857 (Democratic)
14.John C Fremont(CA)/Abraham Lincoln(IL) 1857-1864 (Republican)*
15.Abraham Lincoln(IL)/Ulysses S. Grant(OH) 1864-1865 (Republican)*
16.Ulysses S. Grant(OH)/Schuyler Colfax(IN) 1865-1873 (Republican)*
17.Benjamin Gratz Brown(MO)/Andrew G. Curtin(PA) 1873-1874 (Liberal Republican) 1874-1881 (Republican)*
18.Andrew G. Curtin(PA)/Blanche Kelso Bruce(MS) 1881 (Republican)*
19.Blanche Kelso Bruce(MS)/Marshall Jewell(CT) 1881-1885 (Republican)
20.Grover Cleveland(NY)/Thomas A Hendricks(IN) 1885/Adlai E Stevenson I(IL) 1885-1893 (Democrat)
21.Adlai E Stevenson I(IL)/Arthur P. Gorman(MD) 1893-1897 (Democrat)
22.Williams Jenning Bryan(NE)/Arthur Sewall(ME) 1897-1900/Thomas Edward Watson(GA) 1900-1901 (Democrat)*
23.William McKinley(OH)/Thomas B. Reed(ME) 1901 (Republican) *
24.Thomas B. Reed(ME)/Theodore Roosevelt(NY) 1901-1902 (Republican)*
25.Theodore Roosevelt(NY)/Charles W. Fairbanks(IN) 1902-1905 (Republican)*
26.William Howard Taft(OH)/Chales W. Fairbanks(IN) 1905-1909/James S. Sherman(NY) 1909-1913 (Republican)
27.Theodore Roosevelt(NY)/Hiram Johnson(CA) 1913-1919 (Progressive)*
28.Hiram Johnson(CA)/Robert M. LaFollette(WI) 1919-1921 (Progressive)
29.Warren G. Harding(OH)/Calvin Coolidge(MA) 1921-1923 (Republican)
30.Calvin Coolidge(MA)/Frank O. Lowden(IL) 1923-1929 (Republican)
31.Herbert Hoover(IA)/Charles Curtis(KS) 1929-1933 (Republican)
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt(NY)/Robert M. La Follette Jr.(WI) 1933-1937 (Progressive)*
33.Robert M. La Follette Jr.(WI)/Henry Wallace(IA) 1937-1945 (Progressive)
34.Henry Wallace(IA)/Glen H. Taylor(ID) 1945-1953 (Progressive)
35.Thomas E. Dewey(NY)/Earl Warren(CA) 1953-1961 (Republican)
36.Nelson Rockefeller(NY)/Richard Nixon(CA) 1961-1965 (Republican)*
37.Richard Nixon(CA)/Margaret Chase Smith(ME) 1965-1969 (Republican)*
38.Eugene McCarthy(MN)/George McGovern(SD) 1969-1977 (Progressive)
39.Frank Church(ID)/Fred Harris(OK) 1977-1981 (Progressive)
40.Robert F. Kennedy(MA)/Llyod Bentsen(TX) 1981-1983 (Democratic)*
41.Llyod Bentsen(TX)/Morris Udall(AZ) 1983-1989 (Democratic)
42.Gary Hart(CO)/Bill Clinton(AR) 1989-1993 (Democratic)*
43.Jerry Brown(CA)/Paul Tsongas(MA) 1993-1997/Al Gore(TN) 1997-2001 (Republican)*
44.Ralph Nader(CT)/Winona LaDuke(MN) 2001-2005 (Progressive)
45.John McCain(AZ)/Sam Brownback(KS) 2005-2009 (Democratic)
46.Steven Kubby(CA)/Jesse Ventura(MN) 2009-present (Liberty)*

Notes:
2.Due to his failing health, president Hancock decides not to run for re-election. The young Thomas Pinckney is seen as the compromise candidate at election and wins. He is noted for being a pretty young president at a time when most elected officials were in their late 50's or early 60's. So was his Vice President, Alexander Hamilton, who may have been as young as 37 on the day he moved into office.
4. John Q. Adams, unlike IOTL, is a pretty solid Democratic-Republican (which disappointed his father quite a bit). In fact the only thing he has in common with the Federalist (major issue wise) is being against war with Great Britain in 1812. Thanks to some political manuevering on Adams part (including personally visiting the King and Queen at Buckingham Palace), war between the US and Great Britain was averted. However, his reputation as peace maker couldn't help him win the nomination against the very popular James Monroe.
5. James Monroe is as popular in this timeline as he was in ours, winning the election of 1816 in a huge landslide. The Era of Good Feelings is pretty much the same except that James Monroe wins re-election unamiously.
8. William Smith, the oldest man ever elected president, died only a few months in office due to heart complications. His successor, Andrew Jackson, would be well loved by the people but widely reviled by Congress.
11. Martin Van Buren finally becomes president, however he is much older and the tolls of the office drastically affect his health. He dies five years after taking office and his successor screws up his anti-slavery agenda (which sounds eerily like the Liberty Party’s platform).
14. Fremont pretty much becomes what Abraham Lincoln becomes in our time line except that: the civil war starts about 3 years early, martial law is not declared, and the draft, while still enforced, is nowhere near as excessive as IOTL. Oh and he dies from a stomach virus at the age of 51, becoming one of if not the youngest president to die in office.
15. Still gets shot.
16. Goes from Union General to Vice President to President in like a year or so time. Talk about quick advancement! The radicals don’t fare so well in this timeline though…….
17. After the out of control antics of the Radical Republicans over the past eight years, the populace decided to go with the Liberal Republicans, who promised a return to sane republicanism and to remove the military governments from the southern states. About two years after forming the party would break up since a majority of the party already were more aligned with the Liberal Republicans than the Radical Republicans.
18. When VP Andrew G. Curtin clinched the nomination for president, the Republican National Committee suprised everyone by electing Blanche Bruce, an african american senator from Mississippit, as the nominee for Vice President. When the ticket of Curtin and Bruce won, the KKK started panicking up a storm and plotted ways to dispose of the then widely reviled Vice President. When they go their chance Curtin accidently slipped and fell right into the bullet meant for Bruce. Now instead of a freedmen sympathesizer as president, the KKK and their ilk had their greatest fear come true: a free black man as US president.
22. This is where the chaos begins. For all you Bryan fans out there, Bryan becomes president and not only is he president, he’s the youngest president at the age of 36 (just one year over the requirement, booyah!). He lightens up a bit on his bimetallism issue (still goes through with it). His first VP dies of natural causes. 2nd VP is only in office for a year before Bryan gets kicked out by the Republicans, and this is where the real fun begins:
23. The compromise ticket of William McKinley and Thomas Brackett Reed is made to appease both the conservatives and progressives within the Republican party. William McKinley wins election 1900, too bad he won it a term later than he did IRL, lol. He dies just like he did IOTL, but even more chaos would ensue only a year later.
24. Thomas B. Reed, sworn into office as the 23rd president of the United States, appoints the young Governor of New York, Theodore Roosevelt, a fellow Progressive, to be Vice President. Reed would die suddenly of a heart attack on December 7, 1902. Roosevelt would be sworn in as president just five hours after.
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« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2009, 08:49:00 PM »
« Edited: June 30, 2009, 10:52:48 PM by Mechaman »

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25. The Taft faction is too strong in this timeline and Teddy is president for only two years, but considering what happened the past two presidencies, he's lucky to even be alive! People start making jokes about how many presidents and vice presidents die in office.
27. Teddy creates the Progressive Party and it becomes WAY stronger than IOTL. It will become so strong that in fact it becomes the third major party throughout the rest of the century. In fact, it will hold majorities in the house and senate for parts of the century. Because of them the Democrats don’t have another president until THE FRIGGIN 80’S! Anyway back to Teddy: Teddy still gets shot while campaigning, he survives but it affects his heart. Eventually it tears and he dies a very painful death and Hiram Johnson succeeds him as president.
32. Progressive juniors retake the white house but FDR’s polio is way worse than it was IOTL and he only survives for four years before succumbing to it again….a month before his first term in office was complete.
36. If you haven’t guessed by now the Republicans have become the moderate party of the three party political system. John Kennedy doesn’t succeed in this timeline, so sorry. Rockefeller decides not to run for another term in office because of the media revealing his affair outside of marriage, but nobody cares but the Democrats….who are still the conservative populist party of the late 1800’s but a bit less racist than IOTL since segregation was done away with under Henry Wallace’s first term in office.
37. First female Vice President. As in real life Nixon does some nasty tricks on his opponents, but they backfire during election season and the leftist ticket of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern benefit greatly from the controversy and pull off one of the biggest electoral upsets in US history over the car salesman-like Richard Nixon and the Democrats own extremely charismatic John F. Kennedy, who at the time seemed the most likely to get into office. In a time when conservative-populist politics were having a resurgency, the Progressives winning the presidency was a huge shock. Their luck wasn't that great in the Congress, as the Progressives stayed in the minority in both houses. Alliances with both parties over paricular issues (economic issues w/Democrats, social issues w/Republicans).
38. Immediately after getting into office McCarthy and McGovern both appear before the press and declare that all US forces in Vietnam will be brought home immediately. The US pulls out of Vietnam in as little as a month and a half (Progressives and Republicans are the majority opposition with a few renegade Democrats). The fact that this administration doesn't waver on the issues they campaigned on and actually goes through with them helps McCarthy/McGovern win the 1972 election in a landslide with 48% of the vote (win every state except for Maine (R), New Hampshire (R), Kansas (R), Wyoming (R), Alabama (D), and Mississippi (D) which is incredible in this timeline where there are two other major competiting political parties to worry about).
40. Robert Kennedy becomes the dream candidate for the Democratic party and helps them reclaim the big house for America’s first party. He is a bit of a moderate for a Democrat, he favors environmental protection laws, supports affirmative action laws, and reducing the tax burden on the upper and middle classes. However he is very tough on crime and foreign policy. This is kind of a Fluke of the Gods rip-off but Kennedy pulls off a Watergate like move that screws him over big time and he becomes the very first president to be impeached. His vice president, also pretty moderate Lloyd Bentsen, becomes this universe’s Reagan.
41. Lloyd Bentsen proves to be hugely popular IOTL. He and Morris Udall (who's quite liberal for a Democrat) pull off an upset win (considered upset because he was the successor to a corrupt president Kennedy) over the Progressive ticket of former vice president Fred Harris of Oklahoma/US Representative Bill Clay of the 1st congressional district of Missouri and the Republican ticket of Senate Majority leader Joseph Biden of Delaware/former US Senator Birch Bayh of Indiana. The success of the Bentsen/Udall administration would lead to the ascension of the moderate wing of the Democratic party to party leadership and help give the ticket of Gary Hart/Bill Clinton an electoral landslide over the Republican ticket of US Senator George HW Bush of Connecticut/US House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt of Missouri with 56% of the popular vote and every state except for Maine (R) and the the District of Columbia (P).
42. Gary Hart is just as much a New Democrat in this timeline as IOTL, so is Bill Clinton, but for different reasons. In fact, Pat Buchanan criticizes both Hart and Clinton in his Culture War speech delivered on the campaign trail in 92 saying there was little difference between them and the average Republican. These guys get screwed over big time, both metaphorically and literally. Around the beginning of October 1992, a photographer reveals some nasty news about Gary Hart. The very next week someone comes in and tells about how Bill-o had his way with some staffers. Both counts end up being true and both men get slaughtered during election season. Hell, at least they helped get the Liberty candidate some votes! People jokingly call this the “party hard” administration. Major setback for the Democrats in a time when setbacks are the very last things they need…….
43. Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas run on a civil libertarian and economic reform platform. They bring the Republican party a bit back towards the center than they were under Rockefeller and Nixon. Kind of like Clinton and Gore, but not really. Tsongas dies from liver failure just 3 days before Brown’s second inauguration. So at the very last minute Brown brings in……Al Gore, to be vice president.
44. With actual “leftists” having a voice in government through the “Progressive Party”, Ralph Nader actually has a chance and does win the election of 2000. And the headline news? “Nader Stole Florida” details how Nader took a strong Republican state and turned it Progressive.
46. The Liberty party was formed in 1992 by Edward Clark (former Libertarian Party candidate from 1980 election who got over 8,400,000 popular votes and won Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana which arguably cost the Republicans the election), Harry Browne, and Ross Perot. Imagine a fusion between the Reform Party and the Libertarian Party and it being on steroids. The Liberty party gets into office by placing blame on unnecessary government intervention into the economy by the Nader and McCain administrations and the excessive spending on pointless wars overseas for causing the economic meltdown. Steven Kubby is the first president to take medical marijuana on a daily basis.
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« Reply #166 on: June 04, 2009, 08:50:39 PM »

Call me crazy, but I'm contemplating making a What-If scenario based off of this.
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« Reply #167 on: June 05, 2009, 08:32:21 AM »

Here is my new list....Based on if "Fighting Bob" LaFollete would have finally won the Presidency in the 1924 Election under the Progressive Party

30. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA): August 2nd 1923-March 4th 1925
31. Robert M. Lafollette Sr. (P-WI): March 4th-June 20th 1925*
32. Burton K. Wheeler (P-MT): June 20th 1925-March 4th 1933

33. Huey P. Long Jr. (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
34. William Gibbs McAdoo Jr (D-CA) September 10th 1935-January 20th 1941

35. Theodore Roosevelt II (P-NY): January 20th 1941-July 12th 1944*
36. Phillip “Phil” Lafollette (P-WI): July 12th 1944-January 20th 1953

37. Joseph P. “Joe” Kennedy Sr. (D-MA): January 20th 1953-December 19th 1961*
38. J. William Fullbright (D-AK): December 19th 1961-January 20th 1965

39. Nelson A. Rockefeller (P-NY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
40. Carl Curtis (P-NE): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977

41. Edwin W. Edwards (D-LA): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
42. Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-NY): January 20th 1981-June 6th 1988*
43. Frances “Sissy” Farenthold (D-TX): June 6th 1988-January 20th 1993

44. John D. “Jay” Rockefeller IV (P-WV): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
45. Bill Bradley (P-NJ): January 20th 2001-November 22nd 2003*
46. Carol Mosley Braun (P-IL): November 22nd 2003-January 20th 2005

47. Richard A. “Dick” Gephardt (D-MO): January 20th 2005-???

Notes.

31. Died of Cardiovascular disease while in office, as per in OTL
33. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisana
35. Died of a heart attack while in Office.
37. 1st President to break the Washington tradition, as he won a third term for the Presidency at age 72. He would die in office, from complications of a massive stroke.
38. Assassinated while on the campaign trail for Vice President Farenthold.
45. Died of an Anthrax related complications during an Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist attack.
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« Reply #168 on: June 05, 2009, 12:29:58 PM »

My list :

Coolidge wins in 1920

1921-1929 : Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Thomas Sterling (R-SD)
1929-1933 : Thomas Sterling (R-SD) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) *
1933-1933 : Albert Ritchie (D-MD) / FDR (D-NY) *
1933-1941 : FDR (D-NY) / Harry Truman (D-MA)
1941-1949 : Henry Cabot Lodge Junior  (R-MA) / Leverett Saltonstall (R-MA)
1949-1957 : Harry Truman (D-MO) / Henry Wallace (D-IA)
1957-1965 : Dwight Eisenhower (R-NY) / Harold Stassen (R-MN)
1965-1973 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1973-1977 : Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Roman Hruska (R-NE) *
1977-1981 : Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Walter Mondale (D-MN)
1981-1989 : Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / George H.W Bush (R-TX)
1989-1993 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Dick Cheney (R-TX) *
1993-2001 : Bob Graham (D-FL) / Bill Clinton (D-AR)


That's it for now.

* Sterling was diagnosed with a fatal lung illness in 1930. He doesn't run for a 2nd term. Dies on Jan 20 1933
* Ritchie is shot on May 12th 1933. Dies on spot

* No watergate for Nixon ,Nixon just decided he should retire
* Jack Kemp had been diagnosed with Cancer in 1991. He doesn't run for a 2nd term , he lives until 2009.
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« Reply #169 on: June 05, 2009, 03:48:13 PM »

My list :

Coolidge wins in 1920

1921-1929 : Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Thomas Sterling (R-SD)
1929-1933 : Thomas Sterling (R-SD) / Charles Curtis (R-KS) *
1933-1933 : Albert Ritchie (D-MD) / FDR (D-NY) *
1933-1941 : FDR (D-NY) / Harry Truman (D-MA)
1941-1949 : Henry Cabot Lodge Junior  (R-MA) / Leverett Saltonstall (R-MA)
1949-1957 : Harry Truman (D-MO) / Henry Wallace (D-IA)
1957-1965 : Dwight Eisenhower (R-NY) / Harold Stassen (R-MN)
1965-1973 : John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1973-1977 : Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Roman Hruska (R-NE) *
1977-1981 : Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Walter Mondale (D-MN)
1981-1989 : Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / George H.W Bush (R-TX)
1989-1993 : Jack Kemp (R-NY) / Dick Cheney (R-TX) *
1993-2001 : Bob Graham (D-FL) / Bill Clinton (D-AR)


That's it for now.

* Sterling was diagnosed with a fatal lung illness in 1930. He doesn't run for a 2nd term. Dies on Jan 20 1933
* Ritchie is shot on May 12th 1933. Dies on spot

* No watergate for Nixon ,Nixon just decided he should retire
* Jack Kemp had been diagnosed with Cancer in 1991. He doesn't run for a 2nd term , he lives until 2009.


Henry Cabot Lodge Jr cannot pick a running mate from the same state.
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« Reply #170 on: June 05, 2009, 03:56:26 PM »

Oh crap forgot about that.
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« Reply #171 on: June 05, 2009, 05:49:58 PM »

Ok here is a list..if Congressman Anderson was able to win the 1980 election.

39. James “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
40. John B. Anderson (I-IL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1985
41. George H. W. Bush (R-TX): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
42. Mario Cuomo (D-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Douglas Wilder (D-VA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005

44. John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
45. Michael R. Bloomberg (I-NY): January 20th 2009-???
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« Reply #172 on: June 07, 2009, 02:40:38 PM »

Here's a list based on the POD that General Leonard Wood was able to rest away the nomination from Harding at the 1920 Convention.

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. Leonard Wood (R-NH): March 4th 1921-August 7th 1927*
30. Frank O. Lowden (R-IL): August 7th 1927-March 4th 1933

31. Hugh S. Johnson (D-KS): March 4th 1933-April 15th 1942*
32. Claude D. Pepper (D-FL): April 15th 1942-January 20th 1949

33. Douglas MacArthur (R-AK): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
34. Alfred E. Driscoll (R-NJ): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

35. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D-MA): January 20th 1961-August 12th 1964*
36. Albert B. “Happy” Chandler (D-KY): August 12th 1964-January 20th 1969

37. Robert B. Anderson (R-TX): January 20th 1969-August 14th 1973**
38. James A. Rhodes (R-OH): August 14th 1973-January 20th 1977

39. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1977-September 1st 1983*
40. Daniel “Chappie” James Jr. (D-FL): September 1st 1983-January 20th 1989

41. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (R-VA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. Lynne Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

43. Gary Locke (D-WA): January 20th 2001-December 7th 2006*
45. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): December 7th 2006-January 20th 2009

46. Rudolph “Rudy” Giuliani (R-NY): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

29. Died in office due to complications of Surgery for a brain tumor
31. Died in office
35. Died in a tragic plane crash, while on the campaign trail.
37. Resigned the Presidency due to criminal misconduct, and alcoholism
39. Died in office of an aortic aneurism
43. Assassinated in a Terrorist Bomb Attack
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« Reply #173 on: June 07, 2009, 05:04:17 PM »

Chappie James died in 1978.

How could Pat Robertson ever win the GOP nomination?
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« Reply #174 on: June 07, 2009, 05:55:41 PM »

What If.......?

Another Civil War arose , and the  states that seceded won the war. There are now 2 countries

First the years of the war (2009-2014)

Now for the map after the war :



Green  states are the New country (The Democracy of Texas)
Blue states  are the U.S.A


U.S.A  Presidents Sad

Barack Obama (Liberal-IL) / Joe Biden (Liberal-DE) 2009-2017 *Term limits destroyed

Andrew Cuomo (Liberal-NY) / Hillary Clinton (Liberal-NY) 2017-2025)
Eric Cantor (Conservative-VA) / Shelley Moore Capito (Conservative-WV) 2025-2029
Andrew Lanza (Conservative-NY) / Kristen Gillibrand (Conservative-NY) (2029-2033)
Chelsea Clinton Moore (Liberal-NY) / Beau Biden (Liberal-WV) (2033-2041)
Levi Johnston (Moderate-Oregon) / Aaron Schock (Moderate-IL) (2041-2049)



Democracy of Texas Prime Ministers Sad
Rick Perry (R-TX) / Sarah Palin (R-AK) 2009-2017) * Maximum terms allowed is 3)
Sarah Palin (R-AK) / Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (R-SD) 2017-2025
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (R-SD) / Bobby Jindal (R-LA) 2025-2033)
Kay Hagan (P-NC) / Bev Perdue (P-NC) 2033-2041)
George P. Bush (R-TN) / Joshua Clinton (R-TX) 2041-2049 *


* Joshua CLinton is fictional son of Chelsea Clinton.
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