List of Alternate Presidents

[Maxwell]

45. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 2017-2021
46. Michael Flynn (R-RI)/Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 2021-2025
47. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Jason Kander (D-MO)- 2025-2033
48. Jason Kander (D-MO)/Erica Garcia (D-FL) - 2033-2037
49. George P. Bush (R-TX)/Elise Stefanik (R-NY) - 2037-Current

Losting tickets
2016 - Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Governor Mike Pence (R-IN)
2020 - President Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Vice President Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2024 - President Michael Flynn (R-RI)/Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL)
2028 - Governor Ro Khanna (R-CA)/Senator Scott Pruitt (R-OK)
2032 - Governor George P. Bush (R-TX)/Governor Moore Capito (R-WV)
2036 - President Jason Kander (D-MO)/Vice President Erica Garcia (D-NV)

[Maxwell]

that's right he's german doy

replace that for a weirdo passive aggressive silicon valley guy.

[heatcharger]

47. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Jason Kander (D-MO)- 2025-2033

Losting tickets
2024 - President Michael Flynn (R-RI)/Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL)

Oh boy, 2024 would be a rout:

[Maxwell]

47. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Jason Kander (D-MO)- 2025-2033

Losting tickets
2024 - President Michael Flynn (R-RI)/Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL)

Oh boy, 2024 would be a rout:

Switch Montana and Texas and you got the map I made up for that year.

[Mike Thick]

FWIW Ruben Kihuen isn't eligible to be VP or POTUS -- he's also an immigrant.

[Maxwell]

Okay so changes I made -

Peter Thiel is replaced by Ro Khanna. After winning three terms as congressman with a blue dog record, Khanna decides to run for Governor of California as a Republican. With the full backing of the Republicans as well as a tight fundraising infrastructure in his home of Silicon Valley, he beats regular conservative Republican Some Dude with some Name, and heads  to a run-off with Gavin Newsom where Khanna wins in a stunner.

Kihuen is replaced by Erica Garcia is a fictional character who replaces Bill Nelson as Senator of Florida.

[President Johnson]

FDR does not run again in 1940.

1941-1944: Wendell Willkie/Earl Warren (died in office of heart attack)
1944-1953: Earl Warren/Thomas Dewey (Dewey starting in 1945)
1953-1961: Goodwin Knight/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
1961-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kenndy
1969-1977: Gerald Ford/Thomas Kuchel
1977-1978: Hubert Humphrey/Jimmy Carter (HHH died in office of cancer)
1978-1981: Jimmy Carter/Ted Kenndy (Kennedy appointed) (defeated)
1981-1985: George HW Bush/Ronald Reagan (defeated)
1985-1993: Lawton Chiles/Jerry Brown
1993-1997: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (defeated)
1997-2001: Jerry Brown/John Kerry (defeated)
2001-2009: Richard Lugar/Tom Ridge
2009-2017: Joe Biden/Barack Obama
2017-2021: Jeff Flake/Chris Christie (defeated)
2021-2029: Barack Obama/Kirsten Gilibrand

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

There are two presidents serving together from 1949 to 1953?

[President Johnson]

There are two presidents serving together from 1949 to 1953?

Now removed Barkley. He would have lost a 1948 race against President Warren.

[PPT Spiral]

Underdogs

Samuel W. Yorty 1965-1969
John A. Volpe 1969-1973
Samuel W. Yorty 1973-1977
Lawrence "Lar" Daly 1977-1981
Lyndon H. LaRouche 1981-1984
James Bevel 1984-1985
Benjamin Fernandez 1985-1993
Lawrence "Larry" Agran 1993-2001
Robert C. Smith 2001-2009
Maurice "Mike" Gravel 2009-2017
James S. Gilmore 2017-2021

[Kingpoleon]

1909-1917: Govermor Charles Evan Hughes/VP Charles W. Fairbanks
1917-1922: VP Charles W. Fairbanks*/Attorney General Charles Bonaparte
1922-1925: VP Charles Bonaparte**/vacant
1925-1933: Governor Charles W. Bryan/Senator Alfred Smith
1933-1941: Governor-General Theodore Roosevelt, Jr./Senate Majority Leader Charles Curtis
1941: Former VP Alfred Smith***/California Governor James Roosevelt II
1941-1949: VP James Roosevelt II/Speaker Samuel Rayburn
1949-1961: Mayor Thomas Dewey/Senator Harold Stassen
1961-1964: Senator Robert Kerr***/Senator Stuart Symington
1964-1969: VP Stuart Symington/Governor Sam Yorty
1969-1977: Senator Morris Udall/Governor Birch Bayh(R)
1977-1981: VP Birch Bayh/Speaker Gerald Ford(R)
1981-1982: Governor Henry Jackson*/Senator John Connally(D)
1982-1985: VP John Connally/Senator Robert Dole(D)
1985-1989: Former President Birch Bayh/Mayor David Dinkins(R)
1989-1993: VP David Dinkins/Attorney General Jay Rockefeller(R)
1993-2002: Senator Elizabeth Dole*/Admiral James Stockdale(D)
2002-2005: VP James Stockdale/Mayor Rudy Giuliani(D)
2005-PRESENT: Governor Christine Whitman/Senator Mark Begich(R)
*Resigned after severe health issues
**Retired after one term due to age
***Assassinated

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

1. George Washington (Independent) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1797-1801 *
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic Republican) 1801-1805 ˚
4. George Clinton (Democratic Republican) 1805-1812
Act. James Madison (Democratic Republican) 1812-1813 ˚
5. Elbridge Gerry (Democratic Republican) 1813-1814
Act. James Madison (Democratic Republican) 1814-1817 ˚
6. Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic Republican) 1817-1825
7. John C. Calhoun (Democratic Republican) 1825-1829 *
8. Richard Rush (National Republican) 1829-1833 *
9. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) 1833-1841
10. John Tyler (Whig, Democratic) 1841-1849
11. William O. Butler (Democratic) 1849-1857
12. John C. Breckinridge (Democratic) 1857-1861 *
13. Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) 1861-1865 ^ †
Act. John Bell (Constitutional Union) 1865
14. Andrew Johnson (Democratic) 1865-1869 *
15. Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 1869-1877
16. William A. Wheeler (Republican) 1877-1885
17. John A. Logan (Republican) 1885-1893
18. Adlai E. Stevenson I (Democratic) 1893-1897
19. Garret Hobart (Republican) 1897-1899 †
Act. William McKinley (Republican) 1899-1901 ˚
20. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) 1901-1909
21. John S. Sherman (Republican) 1909-1912 †
Act. William H. Taft (Republican) 1912-1913 ˚
22. Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic) 1913-1921
23. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) 1921 **
Act. James Cox (Democratic) 1921-1929
24. Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic) 1929-1933 *
25. Charles T. Curtis (Republican) 1933-1941
26. Charles L. McNary (Republican) 1941-1949
27. Earl Warren (Republican) 1949-1957
28. Estes Kefauver (Democratic) 1957-1963 †
Act. Adlai E. Stevenson (Democratic) 1963-1965
29. Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic) 1965-1973
30. Spiro Agnew (Republican) 1973-1974**
Act. Richard M. Nixon (Republican) 1974 **
Act. Gerald R. Ford (Republican) 1974-1977
31. Walter Mondale (Democratic) 1977-1981 *
32. George H.W. Bush (Republican) 1981-1989
33. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic) 1989-1997
34. Al Gore (Democratic) 1997-2005
35. Dick Cheney (Republican) 2005-2009 *
36. Joe Biden (Democratic) 2009-incumbent

*Unseated (lost reelection) ˚Retired after one term ^Elected by the House of Representatives
† Died in office of natural causes **Resigned

[NHI]

38. Richard Nixon: 1969-1977
39. John Connolly: 1977-1981
40. Lloyd Bentsen: 1981-1989
41. Robert Dole: 1989-1993
42. Paul Tsongas: 1993-1998*
43. Robert Kerrery: 1998-2005
44. John McCain: 2005-2013
45. Christine Gregoire: 2013 - Present

*Resigned for Health Reasons

Defeated Tickets: 1968-2012

1968: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie
1972: George McGovern/Sargent Shriver
1976: Edward Kennedy/Robert Byrd
1980: John Connolly/Ronald Reagan
1984: George Bush/Jack Kemp
1988: Michael Duakis/Albert Gore
1992: Robert Dole/Paul Laxalt
1996: Lamar Alexander/Daniel Quayle
2000: John Bush/Richard Cheney
2004: Robert Kerrey/William Clinton
2008: William Clinton/John Kerry
2012: Samuel Brownback/Mitt Romney

[mencken]

Hillary Clinton 2017-2019¹
Paul Ryan 2019-2021²
Ted Cruz 2021-2025<sup>3

1</sup>After Republican gains in the 2018 midterms give them a veto-proof majority in the Senate, Clinton and Vice-President Kaine are impeached and removed for office for Benghazi, emails, and Vince Foster.
²Caretaker President Ryan is successfully primaried by Ted Cruz.
³Cruz would ordinarily have been DOA in the general election, if not for the fact that a dearth of young Democratic talent led Kayne West to become the Democratic nominee on the backs of a coalition of millenials and black voters.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) 1933-1945
33. Henry A. Wallace (Democratic) 1945-1949
34. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) 1949-1953
35. Estes Kefauver (Democratic) 1953-1961
36. W. Averell Harriman (Democratic) 1961-1965
37. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) 1965-1973
38. Margaret Chase Smith (Republican) 1973-1977
39. Birch E. Bayh, Jr. (Democratic) 1977-1985
40. James E. Carter (Democratic) 1985-1993
41. Richard G. Lugar (Republican) 1993-2001
42. John S. McCain III (Republican) 2001-2009
43. Hillary D. Rodham (Democratic) 2009-incumbent

[sentinel]

Presidents of the United States
Congress elects a lifetime ceremonial president
1. George Washington, Virginia, No Affiliation, 1789 - 1832
2. Henry Clay, Kentucky, Anti-Federalist, 1832 - 1852
3. John Bell, Tennessee, Augmentum, 1852 - 1869
4. John W. Foster, Indiana, Augmentum, 1869 - 1917
5. Theodore Roosevelt, New York, Bull Moose, 1917 - 1919
6. Hiram Johnson, California, Bull Moose, 1919 - 1945
7. Robert M. La Follette Jr., Wisconsin, Bull Moose, 1945 - 1953
8. Sam Rayburn, Texas, Innovation, 1953 - 1961
9. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Innovation, 1961 - 1969
10. Strom Thurmond, South Carolina, Dixie, 1969 - 2003
11. Colin Powell, New York, Innovation, 2003 - Present

Augmentum = 65 years
No Affiliation = 43 years
Bull Moose = 36 years
Dixie = 34 years
Innovation = 29 years


Prime Ministers of the United States
1. John Adams, Massachusetts, Federalist Party, 1789 - 1793
2. Thomas Jefferson, Virginia, Anti-Federalist Coalition, 1793 - 1797
3. Jonathan Dayton, New Jersey, Federalist, 1797 - 1799
4. Thomas Jefferson, Virginia, Anti-Federalist, 1799 - 1801
5. Joseph Bradley Varnum, Anti-Federalist/Jeffersonian Party, 1801 - 1807
6. James Madison, Jeffersonian, 1807 - 1817
7. John Bell, Tennessee, Federalist, 1817 - 1821
8. James Madison, Jeffersonian, 1821 - 1823
9. Rufus King, New York, Federalist, 1823 - 1827
10. John E. Howard, Maryland, Federalist, 1827 - 1827
11. James Monroe, Virginia, Jeffersonian, 1827 - 1835
12. James K. Polk, Tennessee, Federalist/Augmentum, 1835 - 1849
13. Howell Cobb, Georgia, Augmentum Party, 1849 - 1851
14. Winfield Scott, New Jersey, Jeffersonian, 1851 - 1857
15. James Buchanan, Pennsylvania, Augmentum, 1857 - 1861
Civil war begins in 1859 and ends with Northern victory in 1863
16. Abraham Lincoln, Illinois, Jeffersonian, 1861 - 1865
17. Hannibal Hamlin, Maine, Jeffersonian, 1865 - 1867
18. Schuyler Colfax, Indiana, Augmentum, 1867 - 1875
19. John G. Carlisle, Kentucky, Dixie Party, 1875 - 1881
20. Grover Cleveland, New York, Majority Party, 1881 - 1908
21. William Jennings Bryan, Majority, 1908 - 1909
22. Theodore Roosevelt, Bull Moose, 1909 - 1917
23. Frederick H. Gillett, Bull Moose, 1917 - 1921
24. Calvin Coolidge, Massachusetts, Bull Moose, 1921 - 1923
25. Henry Thomas Rainey, Illinois, Majority, 1923 - 1925
26. Calvin Coolidge, Massachusetts, Bull Moose, 1925 - 1927
27. Joseph W. Byrns, Sr., Tennessee, Majority, 1927 - 1929
28. Calvin Coolidge, Massachusetts, Bull Moose, 1929 - 1933
29. Joseph T. Robinson, Arkansas, Bull Moose, 1933 - 1933
30. Sam Rayburn, Texas, Innovation Party, 1933 - 1941
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt, New York, Bull Moose, 1941 - 1945
32. Alf Landon, Kansas, Bull Moose, 1945 - 1947
33. John Bricker, Ohio, Innovation, 1947 - 1961
34. Strom Thurmond, South Carolina, Dixie, 1961 - 1963
35. Estes Kefauver, Tennessee, Majority, 1963 - 1969
36. Strom Thurmond, South Carolina, Dixie, 1969 - 1969
37. Estes Kefauver, Tennessee, Majority, 1969 - 1971
38. George Bender, Ohio, Bull Moose, 1971 - 1979
40. Edmund Muskie, Maine, Innovation, 1979 - 1996
41. Howard Baker, Tennessee, Innovation, 1996 - 1999
42. Robert Dole, Kansas, Bull Moose, 1999 - 2001
43. Steny Hoyer, Maryland, Innovation, 2001 - 2005
44. Rahm Emmanuel, Illinois, Bull Moose, 2005 - Present

Bull Moose Party = 46 years in power
Federalist Party/Augmentum Party = 44 years  
Jeffersonian Party/Anti-Federalists = 44 years
Innovation Party = 43 years
Majority Party = 41 years
Dixie Party = 9 years

The Majority Party formed as an alliance to oppose the Dixie Party. When Strom Thurmond took control of the House, his sole goal was to elevate himself to the presidency. Prime Minister Kefauver was blamed for allowing Thurmond to reach that goal which marked the end of Bull Moose-Innovation cooperation.

[Goldwater]

What exactly are the major differences between the Bull Moose and Innovation parties, in the modern context?

[Kingpoleon]

Prime Minister/Deputy Prime Ministers:
1850-1857: Sam Houston*(Constitution)/John Crittenden(Unionist)
1857-1862: John Crittenden(Unionist)/John Bell(Unionist)
1862-1864: John Bell(Unionist)/Joseph Lane(Constitution)
1864-1875: Abraham Lincoln(Liberty)/Ulysses S. Grant(Whig)
1875-1880: Ulysses S. Grant(Whig)/Cassius Clay(Liberty)
1880-1890: Thomas F. Bayard(National)/George Pendleton(Constitution)
1890-1895: Joseph Blackburn(National)/Andrew Jackson Houston(Constitution)
1895-1905: Robert Todd Lincoln/Charles Joseph Bonaparte(Liberal Alliance)
1905-1913: Charles Joseph Bonaparte(Liberal)/Gifford Pinchot(Progressive)
*Resigned
**Died in office
***Legislation for anti-lynching and voting rights for women and minorities caused the secession of the Southern Union of States; the states in red seceded and the states in green threatened to hold a referendum or unilaterally secede if war was made on the states in red

Utah stands out because the Mormons were extremely unionist in sentiment despite usually voting for the National or Constitution Party.

[sentinel]

What exactly are the major differences between the Bull Moose and Innovation parties, in the modern context?

Bull Moose = Closer to current Democrats but less corporate oriented...Innovation = more like Rockefeller Republicans. Didn't really think it completely through TBH

[bagelman]

1909-1913 William H. Taft (Republican)
1913-1919 Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1919-1921 Thomas Marshall (Democratic)
1921-1925 A. Mitchell Palmer (Democratic)
1925-1933 Al Smith (Democratic)
1933-1941 Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1941-1945 Roger Babson (Prohibition)
1945-1949 Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1949-1953 Henry Wallace (Progressive)
1953-1961 Eric Hass (Socialist Labor)
1961-1969 Orval Faubus (Nationalist)
1969-1973 Fred Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1973-1977 Louis Fisher (Socialist Labor)
1977-1985 Peter Camejo (Socialist Workers)
1985-1989 Gus Hall (Communist Party USSA)
1989-1993 Lyndon LaRouche (National Movement)
1993-2000 Ron Daniels (Peace and Freedom)
2000-2010 (Military Junta after December 2000 Coup)
2010-2017 Barack H. Obama (New Democracy)



Can anyone can figure out the pattern behind this list?

[NeverAgain]

President Bernie Sanders (2017-2020*)
President Tulsi Gabbard (2020-2025)
President Paul Ryan (2025-2031**)
President John Kasich (2031-2033)
President Ruben Gallego (2033-2037)
President Marco Rubio (2037-2045)
President Elsie Stefanik (2045-2049)'
President Chris Murphy (2049-2057)
* Died
** Resigned due to Family Problems

Holy crap, I just realized after I did this that I completely mirrored 1960-2000...

This was completely unintential... wow.

[cicel]

38. Gerald Ford (1974-77) [R]
39. Richard Petty (1977-81) [D]
40. Jimmy Carter (1989-93) [D]

From my President Elect play-through

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

1909-1913 William H. Taft (Republican)
1913-1919 Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1919-1921 Thomas Marshall (Democratic)
1921-1925 A. Mitchell Palmer (Democratic)
1925-1933 Al Smith (Democratic)
1933-1941 Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1941-1945 Roger Babson (Prohibition)
1945-1949 Norman Thomas (Socialist)
1949-1953 Henry Wallace (Progressive)
1953-1961 Eric Hass (Socialist Labor)
1961-1969 Orval Faubus (Nationalist)
1969-1973 Fred Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1973-1977 Louis Fisher (Socialist Labor)
1977-1985 Peter Camejo (Socialist Workers)
1985-1989 Gus Hall (Communist Party USSA)
1989-1993 Lyndon LaRouche (National Movement)
1993-2000 Ron Daniels (Peace and Freedom)
2000-2010 (Military Junta after December 2000 Coup)
2010-2017 Barack H. Obama (New Democracy)



Can anyone can figure out the pattern behind this list?

I mean, I assume it's meant to mirror the goings-on of another, perhaps poorer and at some point communist or socialist-controlled country (presumably in Latin America or the Warsaw Pact), but I'm not sure which...

[Anti-Bothsidesism]

38. Gerald Ford (1974-77) [R]
39. Richard Petty (1977-81) [D]
40. Jimmy Carter (1989-93) [D]

From my President Elect play-through

welcome to the forum!

[Bigby]

Successful Hartford Convention:

(Using solely OTL Election Results.)

Presidents of the United States up to 1861:

5. James Monroe (DR - VA)/William Crawford (DR - GA): 1817 - 1825
6. Andrew Jackson (D - TN)/John C. Calhoun (D - SC): 1825 - 1833 (1)
7. Richard M. Johnson (D - KY)/Littleton W. Tazewell (D - VA): 1833 - 1837 (2)
8. Littleton W. Tazewell (D - VA)/James Buchanan (D - PA): 1837 - 1841
9. William Henry Harrison (W - OH)/John Tyler (W - VA): 1841 (3)
10. John Tyler (W/I - VA)/Vacant: 1841 - 1845
11. James Polk (D - TN)/George Dallas (D - PA): 1845 - 1849
12. Lewis Cass (D - MI)/William O. Butler (D - KY): 1849 - 1857
13. James Buchanan (D - PA)/John Breckenridge (D - KY): 1857 - 1861
14. Joseph Lane (D - OR)/Vacant: 1861 - Present (4)

(1) Andrew Jackson as President and John C. Calhoun win the Electoral College outright despite the fractured party nature of the general election.
(2) Johnson declines running for a second term as his relationship with his slave Julia Chinn becomes too controversial. Vice President Tazewell replaces him.
(3) Harrison dies from pneumonia and is replaced by his VP John Tyler, who will later be expelled from the Whig Party over basically being a Democrat who happened to oppose Jackson's anti-nullification.
(4) Breckenridge was elected in a heated election by the House of Representatives, with the Senate picking his VP nominee, Joseph Lane. Around the time of Wisconsin's secession in 1860, Breckenridge was assassinated under mysterious circumstances. Abolitionist radicals linked to Wisconsin's secessionist government were later discovered to be the culprits, fueling the flames leading to the Civil War.

Presidents of New England up to 1861:

1. Daniel Tompkins (AF - NY)/John Quincy Adams (I - MA): 1817 - 1825 (1)
2. John Quincy Adams (F - MA)/DeWitt Clinton (F - NY): 1825 - 1829 (2)
3. Daniel Webster (F - MA)/Francis Granger (F - CT): 1829 - 1833 (3)
4. Peter B. Porter (AF - NY)/Vacant: 1833 - 1837 (4)
5. Martin Van Buren (AF - NY)/Charles Adams (AF - MA): 1837 - 1841 (5)
6. Theodore Freylinghusen (F - NY)/Leicester King (F - CT): 1841 - 1845
7. Martin Van Buren (AF - NY)/Charles Adams (AF - MA): 1845 - 1849
8. Millard Fillmore (F - NY)/George Evans (F - ME): 1849 - 1853
9. Franklin Pierce (P - NH)/Nathaniel P. Banks (P - MA): 1853 - 1857
10. William Seward (N - NY)/Edward Everett (N - MA): 1857 - 1861 (6)

(1) Despite being a Federalist plot, the chaos caused by the success of the Hartford Convention caused voters to select an Antifederalist ticket resoundingly. The election of Tompkins proved to be a blessing, as secession went rather smoothly under his administration. John Quincy Adams became the VP, refusing to declare for either party while assuming the role of a government builder.
(2) Adams was a popular President but served just one term due to an amendment to the New England Constitution that allowed succeeding Presidents to be from his successor's state at the cost of being restricted to one term in office. Adams also got the Electoral College done away with, meaning that the President from then on would be determined by Popular Vote.
(3) Webster benefited from the constitutional changes under his predecessor John Quincy Adams.
(4) Porter's Vice Presidential-Elect died shortly before inauguration.
(5) Adams was twenty-nine during the election, though the New England Constitution requires that the President be both thirty or older to serve. However, the Supreme Court ruled that since Adams would become thirty by the time of his inauguration, he is eligible.
(6) Though popular in his first term of office, President Seward's public image cratered when he forced Congress to pass an amendment to allow him two terms rather than one. This combined with voter suppression to defeat Populist candidate Charles Sumner has led to extreme public unrest, particularly in New York City. Though for different reasons, New England teeters on the brink of tearing itself apart like its sister nation, the United States.

(By the way, finding Antifederalists/Populists for New England was a damn pain.)