Gallup: Democrats sympathize with Palestinians more than Israels for the first time ever.

[Not Me, Us]

I mean this was probably inevitable honestly. Israel has been falling out of favor in alot nations in the West lately. The current government and the situation with the settlements is slowly making Israel look like an opressor to many around the world. One of the weird things to me is Netanyahu trying to court support among right wing parties in the West. He certainly capatilizing on the view of Israel being a beacon of White Western civilization in a historically signficant region that has long been dominated by Islam and Middle Eastern culture.  

It's not impossible that Israel's support base will drift from the West to the Third World over time, especially if evangelical movements are very successful in the latter.
The Third World leaned quite pro-Palestine in the 1980s. Even Brazil's military government probably leaned that direction.

Even India which historically was pro Palestine has definitely gotten closer with Israel in the Modi era

They both want to systematically eliminate all Muslims that live in their respective countries. Modi and Netanyahu are natural allies.

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Based

[Zohranism is OUR future]

The deliberate result of a decade-long project begun by Barack Obama months after he took office.

London 2014-2019 shows how bad this can get, and how essential it is to not give an inch. Pro-Israel forces are going to need to get comfortable with taking the offense.

Saying Netanyahu is bad makes you a Nazi now?

[Zohranism is OUR future]

Anyways Israel is clearly an unreliable ally as we see in how they are responding to Ukraine. They seem to forget their status as an AMERICAN puppet, and we should remind them that we will absolutely cut any military aid or intelligence they get if they want to prod too hard. I am more than okay with the US supporting fascists like Netanyahu, but he is acting against our interests elsewhere and must be reminded his place.

If they don’t respond well to this, then it’s time to get as close with Iran as possible.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Palestine associates with Hezbollah and Iran and it was a Palestinian that killed RFK the full merge didn't happen until 1979 but Sirham Sirham was still a Palestinian

So, we aren't sympathetic towards Palestinian the blk Christians aren't but blk Muslims not associated with Malcolm X but Farakan support Palestinian I know whom killed RFK it was a Palestian

Lucky for us we have the chance in 24 to win the Filibuster proof Trifecta and end the R obstruction on Voting Rights the last battle and open the door for Reparations we are targeting all Blk swing states outside of IA, TX, and FL, you know what they are DeSantis and Abbott and Trump have Gavin Newsom Approvals in IA, TX and FL, IN and WV but 45% in the other swing states which still give us the Filibuster proof Trifecta with Carolinas KS,MO and the Rust belt

We should of done it either in 1968/1980 with a Kennedy without the Reagan Revolution that out ua in 5T debt with Tax cuts but it happens now in 24

[OSR stands with Israel]

The deliberate result of a decade-long project begun by Barack Obama months after he took office.

London 2014-2019 shows how bad this can get, and how essential it is to not give an inch. Pro-Israel forces are going to need to get comfortable with taking the offense.

He was one during the Obama presidency

[OSR stands with Israel]

I mean this was probably inevitable honestly. Israel has been falling out of favor in alot nations in the West lately. The current government and the situation with the settlements is slowly making Israel look like an opressor to many around the world. One of the weird things to me is Netanyahu trying to court support among right wing parties in the West. He certainly capatilizing on the view of Israel being a beacon of White Western civilization in a historically signficant region that has long been dominated by Islam and Middle Eastern culture.  

It's not impossible that Israel's support base will drift from the West to the Third World over time, especially if evangelical movements are very successful in the latter.
The Third World leaned quite pro-Palestine in the 1980s. Even Brazil's military government probably leaned that direction.

Even India which historically was pro Palestine has definitely gotten closer with Israel in the Modi era

They both want to systematically eliminate all Muslims that live in their respective countries. Modi and Netanyahu are natural allies.

Come on , this is complete hyperbole . Not even someone like Orban has done something anywhere near as bad as that and he is clearly worse than Modi or Netanyahu

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The deliberate result of a decade-long project begun by Barack Obama months after he took office.

London 2014-2019 shows how bad this can get, and how essential it is to not give an inch. Pro-Israel forces are going to need to get comfortable with taking the offense.

He was one during the Obama presidency

That's not a secret. I'm one of a good number of former Republicans who jumped ship as soon as the fascists took over the party.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It’s their own d*** fault for repeatedly electing a racist, fascistic aspiring dictator.  The Palestinian leadership is also evil, but at this point neither side is even remotely sympathetic.

I can't fully disagree with this, but I would say that the propaganda did not let up even a little during the Lapid tenure.

[Abolish ICE]

It’s their own d*** fault for repeatedly electing a racist, fascistic aspiring dictator.  The Palestinian leadership is also evil, but at this point neither side is even remotely sympathetic.

I can't fully disagree with this, but I would say that the propaganda did not let up even a little during the Lapid tenure.

Don’t get me wrong, the anti-Semitic left is dangerous, rabid, and very much a thing, but that’s not what’s driving this right now.  AOC/Jeremy Corbyn style anti-Semitic BS is one thing, being disgusted by Netanyahu/Likud’s actions is quite another.  As I said before, even I don’t find either side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict even remotely sympathetic at this point.  If I feel that way, I can only imagine how the average Democrat feels.

I strongly disagree with your assertion that this has anything to do with Obama though. 

[DrScholl]

Israelis are in the first world, Palestinians are not so it's not hard to understand these numbers.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

AOC/Jeremy Corbyn style anti-Semitic BS is one thing, being disgusted by Netanyahu/Likud’s actions is quite another.  . 

Uhhhhh.... what exactly is "AOC style anti-semetic BS"? I don't think I've ever seen her say anything anti-semetic.

[Suburbia]

And yet Jewish Americans still vote Democratic....people laugh at them

Most Jewish Americans do not prioritize Israel over America, unlike Evangelical Christians.

Why not? Don't they realize that they are European Jewish Americans and have ancestry in Israel?

[Horus]

And yet Jewish Americans still vote Democratic....people laugh at them

Most Jewish Americans do not prioritize Israel over America, unlike Evangelical Christians.

Why not? Don't they realize that they are European Jewish Americans and have ancestry in Israel?

WASPs have British ancestry, should they pledge allegiance to the king?

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

The deliberate result of a decade-long project begun by Barack Obama months after he took office.

London 2014-2019 shows how bad this can get, and how essential it is to not give an inch. Pro-Israel forces are going to need to get comfortable with taking the offense.

Saying Netanyahu is bad makes you a Nazi now?

Lmao of course not. I was referring to Bronz.

[GeneralMacArthur]

From basically 1940-2005 or so the Palestinians were seen worldwide as comic book villains whose main goal was to kidnap and murder as many Israeli children as possible and openly sympathized with the world's greatest villains, most notably the nazis.  Israel was invaded three times by allies of the Palestinians who openly boasted about how their goal was to kill all the Jews and finish what Hitler started.

At a certain point Israel's military and intelligence apparatus became so good that it became totally impractical to speak of a full-scale invasion of the country, and then they became really good at cracking down on Palestinian attacks on civilians.  So you don't really hear about school buses being blown up, or rockets launched into orphanages, or random people being kidnapped by terrorists supported by Palestine.

Alongside this, the part of Palestine that governs the West Bank reached a much more reasonable political state and was able to reach some level of diplomatic normalcy with Israel, such that there's no longer daily attacks.  The part of Palestine that governs the Gaza Strip is still a bunch of psychopaths who aspire to kill as many Jews as possible.  But they're so weak and pathetic at this point, compared to Israel, that people no longer see them as a real threat.

Thus, younger generations who don't remember a time before 2005 or so don't really have context for why Israel is such a police state to the Palestinians, or why the Gaza Strip is so sh-tty.  And this has been perfectly timed with the rise of the internet, where young people are absolutely smothered in propaganda and lies from Palestinians and their allies/sympathizers.  So it's not surprising that as time goes on, more and more young people will side with Palestine.

The real question is, the next time a group of Palestinian terrorists blows up an orphanage (and Hamas celebrates it on social media), will that be a watershed event that causes young people to switch back to supporting Israel?  Or are they so far gone that they'll just say Israel and the Jews deserve it?

[Yoda]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

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Of course the politicians like Katie Porter are still pro Netanyahu.

[Yoda]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

Obviously, but promoting one candidate in an election while denigrating his opponent? Israel had not meddled in our elections directly before. It's a line that can't be uncrossed. Democrats are going to more and more view Israel as republican-aligned. And Israel's decision to not help Ukraine? That's not going to help. An utter betrayal of the US. After all the military aid we've given them, to turn their backs on Ukraine, and their Jewish President?? Simply outrageous. It's a long, long road for Israel if they ever want to gain the trust of the democratic party and a solid majority of America again.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

Obviously, but promoting one candidate in an election while denigrating his opponent? Israel had not meddled in our elections directly before. It's a line that can't be uncrossed. Democrats are going to more and more view Israel as republican-aligned. And Israel's decision to not help Ukraine? That's not going to help. An utter betrayal of the US. After all the military aid we've given them, to turn their backs on Ukraine, and their Jewish President?? Simply outrageous. It's a long, long road for Israel if they ever want to gain the trust of the democratic party and a solid majority of America again.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you on the substance of the matter. I guess I'm just highlighting how we got here.
Bibi certainly has a major role in what has unfolded. As a Dem partisan in 2015, I was unhappy with Bibi's speech before Congress. I guess the links between Israel and America were probably bound to be weaponized eventually for domestic gain, especially with the rifts that opened between Bibi and Obama-Biden. It is still quite of a loss for Israel in the long-run. The worst thing for any country in this polarized day and age is for support for it (and thus access to the best the global hegemon has to offer) is made, in and of itself, "political". It is much safer to be seen as uncontroversial. It could certainly get worse though.

[BG-NY (permanently retired)]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

Obviously, but promoting one candidate in an election while denigrating his opponent? Israel had not meddled in our elections directly before. It's a line that can't be uncrossed. Democrats are going to more and more view Israel as republican-aligned. And Israel's decision to not help Ukraine? That's not going to help. An utter betrayal of the US. After all the military aid we've given them, to turn their backs on Ukraine, and their Jewish President?? Simply outrageous. It's a long, long road for Israel if they ever want to gain the trust of the democratic party and a solid majority of America again.

Bolded is absolutely disgusting. Nobody is obligated to provide foreign aid to anybody else, and trying to guilt/blackmail Israel into supporting a foreign conflict is insane entitlement. This is why politics shouldn’t be viewed like team sports.

[Horus]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

Obviously, but promoting one candidate in an election while denigrating his opponent? Israel had not meddled in our elections directly before. It's a line that can't be uncrossed. Democrats are going to more and more view Israel as republican-aligned. And Israel's decision to not help Ukraine? That's not going to help. An utter betrayal of the US. After all the military aid we've given them, to turn their backs on Ukraine, and their Jewish President?? Simply outrageous. It's a long, long road for Israel if they ever want to gain the trust of the democratic party and a solid majority of America again.

The Israeli government has never much cared for Jews who don't want to move there. Thinking they'd support Ukraine just because Zelensky is of Jewish heritage is naive. If anything they view him as a bit of a traitor for not making aliyah.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Not really surprising when Israel keeps putting Netanyahu in power. It's sad that the relationship with Israel is no longer ironclad, but their leaders made the decision to openly ally themselves with donald trump and republicans, and attempt to influence our domestic politics. This is the entirely predictable backlash.

The line between American and Isreali domestic politics is, at this point, incredibly blurry.
The old Zionist consensus is, for the time being, dead.

Obviously, but promoting one candidate in an election while denigrating his opponent? Israel had not meddled in our elections directly before. It's a line that can't be uncrossed. Democrats are going to more and more view Israel as republican-aligned. And Israel's decision to not help Ukraine? That's not going to help. An utter betrayal of the US. After all the military aid we've given them, to turn their backs on Ukraine, and their Jewish President?? Simply outrageous. It's a long, long road for Israel if they ever want to gain the trust of the democratic party and a solid majority of America again.

Bolded is absolutely disgusting. Nobody is obligated to provide foreign aid to anybody else, and trying to guilt/blackmail Israel into supporting a foreign conflict is insane entitlement. This is why politics shouldn’t be viewed like team sports.

Iranian weapons are now being fired into Europe (at Ukraine) because European and North American countries alienated Iran. European and North American support for Israel in its (considerably colder) war with Iran is one of the principal reasons for this alienation.

Israel denied support for Ukraine on the grounds that they did not want Russia to endanger their own security. This went beyond the issue of lethal military aid: they used export vetoes on Western-owned, Israeli-made weapons which were to be sent to Ukraine, and refused to supply ammunition that Ukraine had already paid for pre-war. They still expect Western countries to support them against Iran, in spite of the (now proven) risk to these countries' security which this causes.

Of course, they're not obligated to provide foreign aid to Ukraine. They are acting hypocritically, but they're doing so because there are no apparent ramifications for doing so. Most of the fault lies with Western governments for playing along.

[Zohranism is OUR future]

From basically 1940-2005 or so the Palestinians were seen worldwide as comic book villains whose main goal was to kidnap and murder as many Israeli children as possible and openly sympathized with the world's greatest villains, most notably the nazis.  Israel was invaded three times by allies of the Palestinians who openly boasted about how their goal was to kill all the Jews and finish what Hitler started.

At a certain point Israel's military and intelligence apparatus became so good that it became totally impractical to speak of a full-scale invasion of the country, and then they became really good at cracking down on Palestinian attacks on civilians.  So you don't really hear about school buses being blown up, or rockets launched into orphanages, or random people being kidnapped by terrorists supported by Palestine.

Alongside this, the part of Palestine that governs the West Bank reached a much more reasonable political state and was able to reach some level of diplomatic normalcy with Israel, such that there's no longer daily attacks.  The part of Palestine that governs the Gaza Strip is still a bunch of psychopaths who aspire to kill as many Jews as possible.  But they're so weak and pathetic at this point, compared to Israel, that people no longer see them as a real threat.

Thus, younger generations who don't remember a time before 2005 or so don't really have context for why Israel is such a police state to the Palestinians, or why the Gaza Strip is so sh-tty.  And this has been perfectly timed with the rise of the internet, where young people are absolutely smothered in propaganda and lies from Palestinians and their allies/sympathizers.  So it's not surprising that as time goes on, more and more young people will side with Palestine.

The real question is, the next time a group of Palestinian terrorists blows up an orphanage (and Hamas celebrates it on social media), will that be a watershed event that cause young people to switch back to supporting Israel?  Or are they so far gone that they'll just say Israel and the Jews deserve it?

You say “so far gone” as if the reverse isn’t true as well. The question we should be asking is if older generations who were born under a different set of circumstances are so far gone that they refuse to acknowledge Israel’s disturbing governance and colonization via settlers.

Anyways I can personally attest I myself have most pretty quickly left on Israel, largely for political-tribalist and geopolitical reasons, but still Israel’s current government has definitely done nothing to redeem themselves or make themselves look like anything but villains. Will the Israeli people say enough enough, or did they want this all along? We will see.