CMV: Hitler could've escaped Berlin & lived out the rest of his life undetected if he wanted to
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Mr. Ukucasha
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« on: March 15, 2023, 06:28:19 PM »

CMV: Hitler absolutely committed suicide in his Berlin bunker on 4/30/1945 and conspiracy theories suggesting otherwise have been thoroughly debunked. However, Hitler could've easily escaped Berlin and lived out the rest of his life under a concealed identity if he wanted to.


As far as I am concerned, both of the following statements are equally true:

1. "Hitler committed suicide in his Berlin bunker on April 30th, 1945. The official account of Hitler's death is completely accurate, and all conspiracy theories implying otherwise have been thoroughly debunked."

2. "Hitler could have easily escaped Berlin and lived out his days without being caught if he had wanted to."

It seems to me that people who believe Hitler escaped fundamentally misunderstand the man and his worldview. There is no doubt in my mind that Hitler did not wish to escape. His ego was too large for him to live out his remaining days in anonymity like many of his Nazi colleagues did. For 12 years, Hitler possessed absolute power and enjoyed a luxurious life of fame and fortune. Hitler was far from the type of person who could just lie low and live shabbily for the rest of his life. Furthermore, Hitler was a "Darwinist" who truly believed that history's "losers" deserved to die, and that he, if he lost, deserved to die as well. Additionally, teeth found in the bunker perfectly match Hitler's dental records, and there are several witnesses to Hitler's suicide, among other things. There is no doubt that Hitler committed suicide on April 30th, 1945, and theories suggesting otherwise have been thoroughly debunked.

Nevertheless, many claim that even if he wanted to, Hitler could never escape to South America and live out the rest of his life undetected like many of his colleagues did. But is this true? While I initially believed this as well, the more research I've done on this, the more apparent it appears to me that Hitler could have easily fled to South America if he so desired.

First of all, during the Soviet invasion of Berlin, Hans Baur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Baur
), Hitler's personal pilot, had a plane on standby ready to fly him out of Germany (of course, he declined Baur's offer and chose to commit suicide instead). Hanna Reitsch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Reitsch
), another Nazi pilot who could have flown Hitler out of Germany, flew into Berlin on April 26 and returned on April 29, demonstrating that aircraft could fly into and out of Berlin undetected during the Soviet invasion of the city. Hitler had pilots who flew aircraft safely into and out of Berlin during the invasion just waiting for him if he wanted to escape, yet people believe it would've been impossible for him to successfully escape.

Throughout Third Reich territory, there were literally massive tunnel networks constructed for the purpose of allowing Nazis to escape in the event of a defeat. Several countries in South America and the Middle East were eager to assist Nazis in escaping justice by utilizing extensive "ratlines" networks. There was a great deal of assistance provided by organizations such as Oddessa and many members of the Catholic Church in helping Nazis escape.

Furthermore, the so-called "Nazi Hunting" of the Allies was an absolute joke. They didn't even try to bring many Nazi War Criminals to justice. In fact, they were all too eager to use their talents instead (Operation Paperclip). Many Nazi War Criminals did not even try to conceal their identities, and several Allied governments received information regarding their whereabouts, but did nothing with it.

An example of this is Adolf Eichmann, one of the top men in Nazi Germany. Eichmann didn't even try to conceal his identity. Apart from changing his name to "Ricardo Klement," he did nothing to conceal his identity after fleeing to Argentina. He did not change his appearance whatsoever, all of his family members kept the surname "Eichmann," he literally flew from Argentina to Germany and back several times in the 1950's to meet with old friends and family (and the German authorities did not even give a sh**t), and his son would even casually brag to others about how his father is the Adolf Eichmann who heroically slaughtered Jews during WW2. And although he made no effort whatsoever to conceal his identity, it took 20 years for him to be brought to justice.

Josef Mengele was also one of the most nefarious players in Nazi Germany, did not make efforts to conceal his identity, and was still never found in his lifetime. His fate was only revealed after his death.

If these men could evade justice without even trying to conceal their identities, why couldn't Hitler have done the same if he had actually tried to conceal his identity? He literally had body doubles who looked very similar to him. In order to prove that "Hitler killed himself", the Nazis could have sent the Soviets the dead body of his body double, while the actual Hitler fled to Argentina. It would be impossible to determine his identity if he had just shaved his mustache off. Have you seen Hitler without a mustache? No one would ever be able to recognize him walking down the street because he looks completely unrecognizable.

https://i.imgur.com/gd9gZ.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--ktr2QVwFEk/WAwXHdZbryI/AAAAAAAALmk/s4qWC2iiogEBhV2MUBPHABM1fPacU9HDQCLcB/s1600/Hitler_in_disguise.jpg

If you saw Hitler walking down the street in regular clothing without a mustache, I guarantee that you would not recognize him. He looks like a completely generic 1950s British white guy without it (https://ibb.co/zSyQM6Y
)!

He looks like a completely different person. To be on the safe side, he may have taken more drastic measures to alter his appearance, such as shaving his head bald or dying his hair. There is no doubt that Hitler had the resources and connections necessary to obtain fake identification documents.

Ok, it is true that Himmler did try to disguise himself and escape but was caught. Specifically, Himmler shaved his moustache, replaced his glasses and wore an eye-patch. However, Himmer was picked up by the Allies not because they recognized him but because of his forged papers which identified him as belonging to the field police, members who the Allied MP had standing orders to detain. They didn't even know they had him until he gave his real name to the Allied Commander of the holding camp. If Himmler hadn't stupidly disguised himself as a Nazi field police officer, but instead posed as a regular German civilian, he probably would have never been caught.

Within fairly recent history - and in this media-saturated modern world - we had a famous war criminal Radovan Karadic hiding right under everybody's noses for more than a decade simply by having grown a big bushy beard. The man was living in Belgrade, the capital of Serbia. That is the same country where he was president and committed his crimes. He was living under the noses of everybody in the very same capital he presided over UNRECOGNIZED for a decade.

The world is a very very big place and even the CIA would have never found Bin laden if he had just decided to live in a village in Turkmenistan for the rest of his life even with all our 24/7 surveillance tech and billions of dollars. He instead lived in a massive house with dozens of people and was still actively and heavily involved with terrorism.

Overall, I believe Hitler could've easily escaped without ever being caught if he wanted to. I challenge you to convince me otherwise.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this.
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2023, 06:29:54 PM »

Thanks for this interesting post.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2023, 09:09:53 PM »

Will you try to change this view?
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 10:29:16 PM »

Somewhat. But you've to account for the fact that the fact that Allied propaganda pinned so much hatred on him personally, he would have a harder time as a result. It's not necessarily a 1:1 match.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2023, 11:17:04 PM »

No idea, but a slight correction: Radovan Karadžić was president of the Republika Srpska, which is the Serb-majority region of Bosnia & Herzegovina. So he was commander-in-chief of an army trying to secede those regions because Bosnia & Herzegovina was seceding from Yugoslavia, and he was infamous and a fugitive because of this army's war crimes. He was found as a bearded spiritual healer in Belgrade. He was certainly no hermit – talked to lots of people under that big beard. He'd even been interviewed by the police in Vienna as they were investigating a murder committed by an acquaintance.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2023, 11:49:16 AM »

Hitler was too vainglorious to ever hide himself.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2023, 01:31:24 PM »

The incentive to track down Hitler would have been far greater than for the rest of the Nazi escapees so I tend to doubt he would have lasted for long even if he did try to fade into the landscape.

Given all the drugs he was on, I also think his life expectancy would have been short.
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