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« on: March 14, 2023, 09:23:34 PM »

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Payments of $5 million to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.

These were some of the more than 100 recommendations made by a city-appointed reparations committee tasked with the thorny question of how to atone for centuries of slavery and systemic racism. And the San Francisco Board of Supervisors hearing the report for the first time Tuesday voiced enthusiastic support for the ideas listed, with some saying money should not stop the city from doing the right thing.

Several supervisors said they were surprised to hear pushback from politically liberal San Franciscans apparently unaware that the legacy of slavery and racist policies continues to keep Black Americans on the bottom rungs of health, education and economic prosperity, and overrepresented in prisons and homeless populations.

“Those of my constituents who lost their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future, for everybody’s collective future,” said Supervisor Rafael Mandelman, whose district includes the heavily LGBTQ Castro neighborhood.

The draft reparations plan, released in December, is unmatched nationwide in its specificity and breadth. The committee hasn’t done an analysis of the cost of the proposals, but critics have slammed the plan as financially and politically impossible. An estimate from Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, which leans conservative, has said it would cost each non-Black family in the city at least $600,000.

If anything can resurrect the moribund California Republican Party in 2026, it's this. San Fran Dems will have to explain this ASAP....

https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-black-reparations-5-million-36899f7974c751950a8ce0e444f86189
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2023, 10:13:19 PM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2023, 11:00:26 PM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.

Why did SF get involved with the Confederate flag in general? It doesn't have a California vibe....

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2023, 11:04:53 PM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.

Why did SF get involved with the Confederate flag in general? It doesn't have a California vibe....

I've always wondered this. San Francisco is thousands of miles from anywhere that had any connection to the Confederacy.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2023, 11:05:56 PM »

What's the typical amount considered? Something like $200k would be more feasible. That would be about 25k per non-Black family. An age cutoff would suck for 17 year olds who would lose out on a fortune. I think the subsidized home ownership is probably the best way to go but with some type of protection against the Black families immediately selling the home to a White family and leaving the city.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2023, 11:38:20 PM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.

Why did SF get involved with the Confederate flag in general? It doesn't have a California vibe....

I've always wondered this. San Francisco is thousands of miles from anywhere that had any connection to the Confederacy.

It was to appeal to delegates at the 1984 DNC. It wasn't the 1924 Klanbake, but still oof.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2023, 12:53:08 AM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.

I had never heard of this before and yet just from your post I already guessed 100% of what the story was going to be before I even Googled it... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dianne-feinstein-confederate-flag/

It was to appeal to delegates at the 1984 DNC. It wasn't the 1924 Klanbake, but still oof.

for those too lazy to read the link, this is 100% a lie and something jfern probably just made up on the spot
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2023, 01:02:47 AM »

Feinstein may have raised the confederate flag as mayor, but San Francisco didn't have slavery as we know it.

I had never heard of this before and yet just from your post I already guessed 100% of what the story was going to be before I even Googled it... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dianne-feinstein-confederate-flag/

It was to appeal to delegates at the 1984 DNC. It wasn't the 1924 Klanbake, but still oof.

for those too lazy to read the link, this is 100% a lie and something jfern probably just made up on the spot

The snopes article here is basically lying by omission. Everything did go down as reported there in April; then the Confederate national flag was indeed put back up on the first day of the DNC two months later. The article claims it mysteriously got there by accident - which is pretty unbelievable.

Whether Feinstein had it raised is a question, but someone under her did.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2023, 12:08:53 PM »

Slavery ended 158 years ago, so unless one of the those "muh reparations" applicants is an immortal Duncan MacLeod from Highlander series then we need to dig up the graves and fill them with some non-transferable gift certificates. They deserve it. I'm sure the skeletons can enjoy it in the afterlife, similar to what they did for the mummies in Egypt.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2023, 12:36:44 PM »

Whether or not you believe in reparations doesn't mean that the argument "slavery has been over for 160 years" is accurate. Slavery effected generations of descendants of slaves economically. This country's early infrastructure was fueled by cotton which was of course picked by slaves not to mention numerous other crops. That was billions in unpaid labor that can't ever be paid realistically.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2023, 01:04:10 PM »

Reparations for slavery are dumb, 99% of the population is at least 3 generations removed from slavery. They’re also not politically feasible. Reparations make some sense if you look at American society being systematically racist against People of Color, but then you’ll have to add reparations for all sorts of different groups in the name of equality since it wasn’t just Blacks who have/do deal with systematic racism. It makes more sense to fix the problems with Institutional racism that we have today, I.e.  Housing, healthcare, and criminal Justice.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2023, 01:42:57 PM »

Whether or not you believe in reparations doesn't mean that the argument "slavery has been over for 160 years" is accurate. Slavery effected generations of descendants of slaves economically. This country's early infrastructure was fueled by cotton which was of course picked by slaves not to mention numerous other crops. That was billions in unpaid labor that can't ever be paid realistically.

And segregation existed during many people’s lifetimes, including the past three presidents.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2023, 03:09:45 PM »


I don't think this is a good idea. Those ancestors of slaves who are alive today are not being wronged by what happened in the distant past. They are being wronged by what is happening today. Let's work on discrimination today. Let's work on healing the wounds that black people carry by focusing on things we can do today to rid our society of the discrimination they face.

White people were affected by slavery as well. The superiority mindset that some white people embrace is plain wrong and needs to be addressed and eliminated.

I just don't like throwing money at a problem out of guilt, and that's what I think this is. The problem will still be there after all the money is given out.

Let's get rid of the real problem. Get rid of the real cancer once and for all. Otherwise it will still be there, insidiously brewing in the background. Still with us.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2023, 03:47:32 PM »

Bronze thread thnk you
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2023, 04:52:52 PM »

San Francisco housing market:
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