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« on: March 13, 2023, 08:21:58 PM »


The party of Reagan has their top two presidential candidates want to abandon one of our most successful foreign policy positions of the past 30 years
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2023, 08:34:21 PM »

This guy is so desperate that by the end of the year he might dye his hair blond.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2023, 08:35:45 PM »

Very sad to see a prominent POTUS candidate turning his back on NATO and simp for Daddy Vlad. Nixon and Reagan are turning in their graves.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2023, 08:37:25 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2023, 08:47:37 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
Not a Reagan fan but in what world would he let such a destabilizing event in Europe like this go unaddressed. Especially when HW Bush whose administration was all Reagan left overs cranked down so hard on Saddam invading Kuwait
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2023, 08:48:30 PM »

f'in commies in the republican party these days

whatever happened to "i have outlawed russia forever, bombing begins in 5 minutes" ?
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2023, 08:52:28 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
Tankies today are still shilling for Putin, you think Reagan would take the same side as tankies? And the governments of Nicaragua and Venezuela?
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2023, 09:13:52 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.

I don't know why Reagan would choose Russia over NATO, regardless of whether or not the USSR and the Cold War still exist.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2023, 09:14:40 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2023, 09:20:40 PM by Old School Republican »




The quote is in this video , and it’s pretty much the same answer he gave before and talking about a blank check . Don’t support this policy either but not the same thing as Hindsight is saying

https://flvoicenews.com/desantis-warns-of-escalation-in-ukraine-urges-u-s-against-proxy-war/

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These things can escalate, and I don’t think it’s in our interest to be getting into proxy war – with China getting involved – over things like the border lands, or over Crimea,” he said. “I think it would behoove them to identify what is the strategic objective they’re trying to achieve.”

“Just saying it’s an open ended blank check that is not acceptable,” DeSantis said.

The governor was asked what a “win” would look like for Ukraine.

“The fear of Russia going into NATO countries [and] steamrolling – you know, that has not even come close to happening. I think they’ve shown themselves to be a third rate military power,” he said.



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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2023, 09:16:00 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.

I don't know why Reagan would choose Russia over NATO, regardless of whether or not the USSR and the Cold War still exist.

He wouldn't be pro Russia like Trump but he'd mostly just stay out of it and provide minimum level support to Ukraine at best. Russia is no longer communist so he wouldn't care that much. A 2023 Reagan would be extremely focused on China.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2023, 09:17:32 PM »

DeSantis is in line with republicans and independents on the issue.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2023, 09:28:51 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.

I don't know why Reagan would choose Russia over NATO, regardless of whether or not the USSR and the Cold War still exist.

He wouldn't be pro Russia like Trump but he'd mostly just stay out of it and provide minimum level support to Ukraine at best. Russia is no longer communist so he wouldn't care that much. A 2023 Reagan would be extremely focused on China.

If someone like Reagan was in the WH , Russia never would have invaded Ukraine to begin with . The fact is Obama’s FP , Trump’s FP and Biden’s FP in 2021 were all pretty weak towards Russia and in general trying to not seem as neocon as possible which made Russia think the US was weak .

This would not have been the case with Ronald Reagan whose FP in general would be far more aggressive than our FP since 2008 but at the same time wouldn’t be anywhere near as dumb or incompetent as Bush era neocons as well.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2023, 09:29:40 PM »




The quote is in this video , and it’s pretty much the same answer he gave before and talking about a blank check . Don’t support this policy either but not the same thing as Hindsight is saying

https://flvoicenews.com/desantis-warns-of-escalation-in-ukraine-urges-u-s-against-proxy-war/

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These things can escalate, and I don’t think it’s in our interest to be getting into proxy war – with China getting involved – over things like the border lands, or over Crimea,” he said. “I think it would behoove them to identify what is the strategic objective they’re trying to achieve.”

“Just saying it’s an open ended blank check that is not acceptable,” DeSantis said.

The governor was asked what a “win” would look like for Ukraine.

“The fear of Russia going into NATO countries [and] steamrolling – you know, that has not even come close to happening. I think they’ve shown themselves to be a third rate military power,” he said.




He called the war a “territorial dispute” and that supporting Ukraine isn’t in our interest please tell me how that doesn’t line up with the OP? 🙄
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2023, 09:38:44 PM »




The quote is in this video , and it’s pretty much the same answer he gave before and talking about a blank check . Don’t support this policy either but not the same thing as Hindsight is saying

https://flvoicenews.com/desantis-warns-of-escalation-in-ukraine-urges-u-s-against-proxy-war/

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These things can escalate, and I don’t think it’s in our interest to be getting into proxy war – with China getting involved – over things like the border lands, or over Crimea,” he said. “I think it would behoove them to identify what is the strategic objective they’re trying to achieve.”

“Just saying it’s an open ended blank check that is not acceptable,” DeSantis said.

The governor was asked what a “win” would look like for Ukraine.

“The fear of Russia going into NATO countries [and] steamrolling – you know, that has not even come close to happening. I think they’ve shown themselves to be a third rate military power,” he said.




He called the war a “territorial dispute” and that supporting Ukraine isn’t in our interest please tell me how that doesn’t line up with the OP? 🙄

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones . He basically is trying to play both sides here sort of like Nixon in 68/W in 2000 who keep in mind pretended to be less interventionist as well .

Reagan was the only Republican nominee who won who openly said we weren’t interventionist enough and then implemented that policy as president which is why I think Reagan will still be the best Republican president in the past century regardless of the outcome of 2024
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2023, 09:45:22 PM »

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones.

... and how is that not simping for Putin, exactly?
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2023, 09:50:47 PM »

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones.

... and how is that not simping for Putin, exactly?
Our own military doenst think Crimea can be taken back

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/02/01/ukraine-crimea-russia-pentagon-00080799
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2023, 09:57:14 PM »

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones.

... and how is that not simping for Putin, exactly?
Our own military doenst think Crimea can be taken back

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/02/01/ukraine-crimea-russia-pentagon-00080799
I've effectively treated Crimea as Russian land for basically all purposes since 2014. It has been Russian in terms of ownership for 80% of the past 250 years and it has been for many, many decades, majority Russian by ethnicity.
Ukrainian feelings notwithstanding, the place really isn't Ukrainian. I'm willing to accept the idea of Ukraine getting it back if that is good for the overall picture, but let's not tread into historical illiteracy here. The Crimea that once existed died with Stalin's internal ethnic cleansings in the 1930s and 1940s at the latest. You may as well argue for Transylvania to be given, part and parcel, back to Hungary.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2023, 09:57:52 PM »

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones.

... and how is that not simping for Putin, exactly?
Our own military doenst think Crimea can be taken back

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/02/01/ukraine-crimea-russia-pentagon-00080799

That doesn't mean you publically concede that Crimea belongs to Russia, when Ukraine doesn't do so. It sends the wrong message.
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2023, 10:11:26 PM »

Well from the quote here it says he views 2021 borders as different than 2013 ones.

... and how is that not simping for Putin, exactly?
Our own military doenst think Crimea can be taken back

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/02/01/ukraine-crimea-russia-pentagon-00080799

That doesn't mean you publically concede that Crimea belongs to Russia, when Ukraine doesn't do so. It sends the wrong message.

I mean for that to happen , Russia would have to withdraw from all the places they have taken since invading in 2022 and you would also permanently destroy the Bridge connecting Crimea to Ukraine to ensure Crimea can’t be used for a future invasion.

The fact is our military knows better than anybody about winning conventional wars and we should generally follow our military’s advice when it comes to policy regarding conventional wars .
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2023, 10:19:53 PM »

Yeah, let's not pretend Reagan wasn't the Trump of his era.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2023, 10:25:09 PM »

Yeah, let's not pretend Reagan wasn't the Trump of his era.

Nixon was more Trump than Reagan .

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2023, 10:26:56 PM »

Yeah, let's not pretend Reagan wasn't the Trump of his era.

Nixon was more Trump than Reagan .


Very early on in his presidency, I likened Trump to Obama as Nixon to Kennedy.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2023, 10:33:54 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
Not a Reagan fan but in what world would he let such a destabilizing event in Europe like this go unaddressed. Especially when HW Bush whose administration was all Reagan left overs cranked down so hard on Saddam invading Kuwait

Kuwait has the oil, more than Iraq per capita, Bush was a known oil guy.

Ukraine doesn't disproportionately per capita hold more oil than Russia.

Big difference.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2023, 10:44:28 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
Not a Reagan fan but in what world would he let such a destabilizing event in Europe like this go unaddressed. Especially when HW Bush whose administration was all Reagan left overs cranked down so hard on Saddam invading Kuwait

Kuwait has the oil, more than Iraq per capita, Bush was a known oil guy.

Ukraine doesn't disproportionately per capita hold more oil than Russia.

Big difference.
Ukraine is the world’s breadbasket so to act like it holds no value to the US for more cynical economic reasons would be disingenuous
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2023, 10:48:25 PM »

Lol, Reagan hated communism, not Russia. He'd probably be close to DeSantis' position if still alive.
Not a Reagan fan but in what world would he let such a destabilizing event in Europe like this go unaddressed. Especially when HW Bush whose administration was all Reagan left overs cranked down so hard on Saddam invading Kuwait

Kuwait has the oil, more than Iraq per capita, Bush was a known oil guy.

Ukraine doesn't disproportionately per capita hold more oil than Russia.

Big difference.
Ukraine is the world’s breadbasket so to act like it holds no value to the US for more cynical economic reasons would be disingenuous

Ukraine is the world's 8th-largest wheat producer, so it's a bit of an exaggeration to call it the "world's breadbasket". Russia, the largest wheat exporter in the world, has a far better claim to that title.
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