How will you feel if a GOP president pardons the 1/6 prisoners?

[Hermit For Peace]

If he has the right to do it legally then what can you do? I think there are more important things to get upset about that affect a lot more people, like the current state of abortion in this country.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Are you implying that if Antifa and far left insurrectionists attacked the Capitol on the day when congress officially named DeSantis the incoming president, people discussing it and caring about it 2 years later would be out of touch and should worry about "more important" things? Are you implying that smart and logical right wingers shouldn't care or focus on that at all 2 years later?

[emailking]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Well the thread asks how we'll feel. I'd be mad about it, even if everyone you know wouldn't gaf.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Man remember when ElectionsGuy lectured us saying things like this while insisting that Mastriano was going to be elected governor of Pennsylvania? How did that work out?

[Ferguson97]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

[BG-NY (permanently retired)]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

[MarkD]

If that happened, I would certainly not vote for their reelection. Other than that, I wouldn't have any particular reaction.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/arizona/governor

[Badger]

Our long national nightmare would finally be over.

Why are you pro-insurrection?

Mississippi avatar. Treason is in his blood.

[BG-NY (permanently retired)]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/arizona/governor

Inflation 36%
Abortion 32%
Immigration 18%
Gun Policy 6%
Crime 6%

The questions “Confident your state's elections are fair/accurate?” and “Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?” don’t speak to voters who switched D->R because the R doesn’t believe 2020 was legitimate.

If evidence exists that voters switched because of “deniers” would love to see it.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

As I stated between now and 25 most of the insurrection have served out their sentences already Trump, is only running to get a pardon for himself or Prez DeSantis and he is a hypocrite he said that if Hillary became Prez she would get immunity most of the insurrection got 2/3 yrs not 20 yr sentences

Alot of them are gonna be let out next yr just like Whistleberg and Cohen they got 5 mnths in prison

Cohen never got a pardon he served his 5 mnths and started testifying against TRUMP

He was close to Sean Hannity and the right loves Hannity because he uses grievances against immigrants but his own lawyer is testifying against Trump

The only one that got like 5 yrs was the Viking

That's why Trump would not run 3rd party he will endorse DeSantis he wants a full pardon for 2024

That's why we need to win the H and S for 24 not lose the S  and win OH, MO, AZ and MT because if RS lose again if they have Congress they would object on J6 and it would go to a vote in the H and we automatic lose on the H Delegates

[Santander]

A GOP President pardoning some prisoners? Fine.
A GOP President pardoning all prisoners? Not good.
Trump pardoning any of them? Pretty bad.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/arizona/governor

Inflation 36%
Abortion 32%
Immigration 18%
Gun Policy 6%
Crime 6%

The questions “Confident your state's elections are fair/accurate?” and “Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?” don’t speak to voters who switched D->R because the R doesn’t believe 2020 was legitimate.

If evidence exists that voters switched because of “deniers” would love to see it.

Not sure what you mean in the second bit. They didn't include election denialism in the list of issues laid out so it wouldn't show up there. But it's clear from the later questions Lake was harmed greatly by this.

What else could've resulted in Hobbs' victory? She was criticized by all sides for not debating and running a very bland and dull campaign in stark contrast to Lake. And she still won. There had had be something that turned voters off to Lake, I wonder what it was....

The fact is every single election denier candidate for a statewide race in a swing state lost. Unless you can come up with a better reason for why that is I'll stick with the Occam's Razor conclusion.

[BG-NY (permanently retired)]

Not sure what you mean in the second bit. They didn't include election denialism in the list of issues laid out so it wouldn't show up there. But it's clear from the later questions Lake was harmed greatly by this.

What else could've resulted in Hobbs' victory? She was criticized by all sides for not debating and running a very bland and dull campaign in stark contrast to Lake. And she still won. There had had be something that turned voters off to Lake, I wonder what it was....

The fact is every single election denier candidate for a statewide race in a swing state lost. Unless you can come up with a better reason for why that is I'll stick with the Occam's Razor conclusion.

Polls throughout the cycle asked about the issues “preserving democracy” etc, not sure if any exit polls did.

Lake performed almost identically to Trump, despite AZ’s demographics continuing to trend away. What’s more likely is she was saddled with the burden of Masters — a candidate with negative charisma and fundraising ability. If she campaigned on her own and left him to his own devices, she likely wins.

Lee Zeldin was one of the biggest election deniers and almost won here in NY. I welcome evidence if it exists but I don’t see it.

(I personally have evolved over time and personally believe Biden won legitimately based on the laws in place on election day.)

[Andrew Cuomo is a No Go]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

This post came out of a time capsule from October 2022.

[Calgacus]

Our long national nightmare would finally be over.

Why are you pro-insurrection?

The DOJ's heavy-handed approach to investigating and prosecuting what, in most cases, rises to nothing more than criminal trespassing amounts to a political witch-hunt.  There has been no similar effort to prosecute those who burned our cities in the name of "racial justice" even though those crimes were, on the whole, much more widespread and damaging than the Capitol riot. 

The DOJ is prosecuting terrorists who tried to overthrow the government.

Those protesting the murder of George Floyd were not trying to overthrow the government.

Did everyone just forgot CHAZ, where an armed Communist militia seized a downtown Seattle city block and kept the police from entering? Where, after weeks of chaos and rising to hold the world's highest homicide rate, the armed militiamen shot two teenagers, openly cleaned up the crime scene and escaped any prosecution to this very day?

If armed Trump supporters took over downtown Houston and shot a bunch of people with state and local authorities calling it a "summer of love" it'd be Jan 6^1000 but apparently the fear felt by Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell is more important than the regular people who actually got shot

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/arizona/governor

Inflation 36%
Abortion 32%
Immigration 18%
Gun Policy 6%
Crime 6%

The questions “Confident your state's elections are fair/accurate?” and “Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?” don’t speak to voters who switched D->R because the R doesn’t believe 2020 was legitimate.

If evidence exists that voters switched because of “deniers” would love to see it.

Not sure what you mean in the second bit. They didn't include election denialism in the list of issues laid out so it wouldn't show up there. But it's clear from the later questions Lake was harmed greatly by this.

What else could've resulted in Hobbs' victory? She was criticized by all sides for not debating and running a very bland and dull campaign in stark contrast to Lake. And she still won. There had had be something that turned voters off to Lake, I wonder what it was....

The fact is every single election denier candidate for a statewide race in a swing state lost. Unless you can come up with a better reason for why that is I'll stick with the Occam's Razor conclusion.

Simple explanation 1 is that Roe v Wade motivated Dem turnout and saved Hobbs from her weakness as a candidate. The issue polling all put abortion at the top after all, not "election denialism"

Simple explanation 2 is that weak Republican Senate candidates dragged their slates down.

The simplest explanation of all is that Democrats simply had better targeting, spending more and using their funds more effectively than Republicans. In an increasingly polarized country finding your voters and making sure they turn out is more important than persuasion, and as a bonus the Trumpian bargain left the Republicans with more low turnout voters and the Dems with more high turnout voters, a key advantage in a midterm.

If you need evidence just look at the NYT house shift from 2020. Democrat gains are almost entirely localized to states and seats where they spent disproportionately more than the Republicans did. If the American people were broadly motivated by Jan 6 then the "backlash" against "election deniers" would be evenly distributed across the country. Instead, we see the worst Republican results from swing states where they spent the least (Michigan, for example, where Dems had over a 3-1 advantage) and the best results from safe states like New York, Florida, California and Texas. The fact that Republicans still won the GCB by 3 despite their bad Senate results should be a clear indication that that it was superior organization and targeting that let Dems prevail, not any kind of major backlash against Jan 6.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Extremely pleased

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Our long national nightmare would finally be over.

Why are you pro-insurrection?

The DOJ's heavy-handed approach to investigating and prosecuting what, in most cases, rises to nothing more than criminal trespassing amounts to a political witch-hunt.  There has been no similar effort to prosecute those who burned our cities in the name of "racial justice" even though those crimes were, on the whole, much more widespread and damaging than the Capitol riot. 

The DOJ is prosecuting terrorists who tried to overthrow the government.

Those protesting the murder of George Floyd were not trying to overthrow the government.

Did everyone just forgot CHAZ, where an armed Communist militia seized a downtown Seattle city block and kept the police from entering? Where, after weeks of chaos and rising to hold the world's highest homicide rate, the armed militiamen shot two teenagers, openly cleaned up the crime scene and escaped any prosecution to this very day?

If armed Trump supporters took over downtown Houston and shot a bunch of people with state and local authorities calling it a "summer of love" it'd be Jan 6^1000 but apparently the fear felt by Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell is more important than the regular people who actually got shot

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Republicans lost in 2022, in part, because of Jan. 6 and election denialism. You are out of touch.

Do you have a single exit poll citing top issues that backs this up?

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/arizona/governor

Inflation 36%
Abortion 32%
Immigration 18%
Gun Policy 6%
Crime 6%

The questions “Confident your state's elections are fair/accurate?” and “Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?” don’t speak to voters who switched D->R because the R doesn’t believe 2020 was legitimate.

If evidence exists that voters switched because of “deniers” would love to see it.

Not sure what you mean in the second bit. They didn't include election denialism in the list of issues laid out so it wouldn't show up there. But it's clear from the later questions Lake was harmed greatly by this.

What else could've resulted in Hobbs' victory? She was criticized by all sides for not debating and running a very bland and dull campaign in stark contrast to Lake. And she still won. There had had be something that turned voters off to Lake, I wonder what it was....

The fact is every single election denier candidate for a statewide race in a swing state lost. Unless you can come up with a better reason for why that is I'll stick with the Occam's Razor conclusion.

Simple explanation 1 is that Roe v Wade motivated Dem turnout and saved Hobbs from her weakness as a candidate. The issue polling all put abortion at the top after all, not "election denialism"

Simple explanation 2 is that weak Republican Senate candidates dragged their slates down.

The simplest explanation of all is that Democrats simply had better targeting, spending more and using their funds more effectively than Republicans. In an increasingly polarized country finding your voters and making sure they turn out is more important than persuasion, and as a bonus the Trumpian bargain left the Republicans with more low turnout voters and the Dems with more high turnout voters, a key advantage in a midterm.

If you need evidence just look at the NYT house shift from 2020. Democrat gains are almost entirely localized to states and seats where they spent disproportionately more than the Republicans did. If the American people were broadly motivated by Jan 6 then the "backlash" against "election deniers" would be evenly distributed across the country. Instead, we see the worst Republican results from swing states where they spent the least (Michigan, for example, where Dems had over a 3-1 advantage) and the best results from safe states like New York, Florida, California and Texas. The fact that Republicans still won the GCB by 3 despite their bad Senate results should be a clear indication that that it was superior organization and targeting that let Dems prevail, not any kind of major backlash against Jan 6.

That last bit entirely encapsulates how I feel about the midterms. It was all about money and Trump not being on the ballot.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

One again, the Atlas left continues to prove how out of touch they are with real, normal people, most of whom stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago and have more important things to worry about than a small group of dumb Trump supporters doing dumb things.

Are you implying that if Antifa and far left insurrectionists attacked the Capitol on the day when congress officially named DeSantis the incoming president, people discussing it and caring about it 2 years later would be out of touch and should worry about "more important" things? Are you implying that smart and logical right wingers shouldn't care or focus on that at all 2 years later?

I happened to notice that this post was never responded to. Curious...

There's a very noticeable pattern ever since the Brexit/Trump era of (Western society) right wingers doing absolutely everything they can to avoid planting any sort of flag in the ground, in terms of taking a firm position on most issues and policies, because flip-flopping to a more convenient and opposite position later on is a core part of being a modern-day Republican for many people.

This doesn't apply to every single Republican and non-Republican, of course, but when you cut through all the bulls__t and get down to brass tax, Republicans tend to have very few principles - at least socially palatable ones that they're willing to say out loud unfiltered - whereas non-Republicans tend to have actual principles that they believe in all the time, regardless of whether it's beneficial or politically inconvenient. Beliefs that you flip flop on are not principles.

I think a reasonable goal for the left and center-left would be to get as many right wingers as possible to state as many of their firm positions as possible on the record. Hypocrisy and an abundance of flip-flopping should be highlighted, not overlooked.