Why has Biden not even tried to push for a Public Option since becoming President?
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2023, 09:51:37 AM »
« edited: March 12, 2023, 02:16:26 PM by ηєω ƒяσηтιєя »

A lot of really dumb answers so far. Anyways, a public option wouldn't have passed with a 50/50 Senate and slim Dem majority in the House.

If the Dems regain a trifecta and with an expanded majority in both Houses then I think a public option would be on the table.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2023, 09:57:52 AM »

ObamaCare is working great. Life expectancies are down only 2.7 years in the past 2 years.

Can you stop repeating this drivel with the implication that somehow the ACA itself is lowering life expectancies, and that without it, these decreases would disappear?

There has been plenty of real in-depth literature on life expectancy in the US:
  • Harper et al. (2021, written right as Covid broke out) which take a look in depth at various factors and concludes that the opioid epidemic is the largest cause, along with suicide and homicide increases, of life expectancy decrease in the past decade. They also note that the "deaths of despair" notion related to the opioid epidemic, while having a media narrative of primarily affecting White men in declining areas, is even more applicable to Native Americans and equally applicable to Black men.
  • Aburo et al. (2022)which talks about Covid-related decreases in life expectancy across different nations, which is the most significant recent factor.

While I am in favor of universal healthcare, I find your obsession with Obamacare ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that absent the ACA, we'd have better health outcomes? Are you even interested in talking about ways to improve the health system, including universal healthcare, absent of what the ACA touched or didn't touch?

ObamaCare obviously needs to be replaced with something better.


Obamacare was supposed to be the stepping stone to some type of Swiss System, or German System.

 
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2023, 10:07:44 AM »

It's probably a second term priority at this point. Use the first term to build up capital by focusing on popular things: infrastructure spending for example is universally liked, unless you happen to be Vosem.

Build up capital now, go for the public option in the second term.
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2023, 10:17:48 AM »

Too much insurance lobbyist money at stake.
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2023, 12:35:29 PM »

He doesn't believe in it. He one of the earliest Neoliberals.



Just a reminder that a lot of developed countries have Universal Healthcare that is NOT single payer.

Single payer does not = Universal.

Germany. Switzerland. Netherlands. Israel. All have some type of regulated private insurance.

Agreed, but it still changes nothing. Ultimately Biden is part of the brainwashed "rightwards of Hubert 'Happy Warrior' Humphrey" masses that actually believe the monetarist/supply side dogma on some level, and this side largely resists regulation...unless it helps Big Business, in the short term, in some way.
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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2023, 09:09:33 PM »

It could not have passed during reconciliation, which is entirely related to budgetary matters. Creating a public option would be an extensive and exhaustive piece of legislation, similar to Obamacare. It is likely a Democratic president may be able to get it done sometime in the future, but that will also be a Herculean undertaking whenever it happens as it will require 60 votes to break the filibuster.

No Republican is going to vote for such a healthcare bill, Democrats are not going to have 60 Senate seats anytime soon. They will have to drop the filibuster.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2023, 10:47:28 PM »

ObamaCare is working great. Life expectancies are down only 2.7 years in the past 2 years.

Can you stop repeating this drivel with the implication that somehow the ACA itself is lowering life expectancies, and that without it, these decreases would disappear?

There has been plenty of real in-depth literature on life expectancy in the US:
  • Harper et al. (2021, written right as Covid broke out) which take a look in depth at various factors and concludes that the opioid epidemic is the largest cause, along with suicide and homicide increases, of life expectancy decrease in the past decade. They also note that the "deaths of despair" notion related to the opioid epidemic, while having a media narrative of primarily affecting White men in declining areas, is even more applicable to Native Americans and equally applicable to Black men.
  • Aburo et al. (2022)which talks about Covid-related decreases in life expectancy across different nations, which is the most significant recent factor.

While I am in favor of universal healthcare, I find your obsession with Obamacare ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that absent the ACA, we'd have better health outcomes? Are you even interested in talking about ways to improve the health system, including universal healthcare, absent of what the ACA touched or didn't touch?

ObamaCare obviously needs to be replaced with something better.


Obamacare was supposed to be the stepping stone to some type of Swiss System, or German System.

Well, the Swiss still have the 2nd most expensive healthcare system.
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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2023, 01:22:34 AM »

Because the modern Democratic Party is more interested in culture wars.

The lack of self-awareness is strong in this one.
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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2023, 01:27:13 AM »

The last three Presidents who attempted healthcare reform got their asses handed to them in the midterms. With a 50-50 majority, it's no surprise Biden focused on more popular and less polarising policies.

This. I have little doubt that Joe manchin and the Arizona pixie attention whore both told him they wouldn't support it. The former in particular is a complete shill for big Pharma.
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