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« on: March 11, 2023, 01:10:41 AM »
« edited: April 06, 2023, 09:37:57 PM by Lincoln Speaker Dwarven Dragon »

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Section I: NPC Recall Elections Act

1. LGC 1.11, NPC Recall Elections Act, is hereby repealed as NPC elections are no longer simulated.

Section II: Excise Tax Rates for Certain Products

1. LGC 11.40, the No Unjust Taxation Act, is hereby repealed.

2. An excise tax shall be applied or adjusted for the following substances and products:

   a. all substances and products containing tetrahydrocannabinol and/or any of its derivatives: 5%
   b. all substances and products containing tobacco or nicotine: 15%
   c. all substances and products containing alcohol: 15%
   d. all substances and products containing cocaine, psilocybin, opiates or opioids, or amphetamines that are
   otherwise legal but purchased without a prescription: 25%
   e. all substances and products where multiple aforementioned substances are combined shall have a cumulative
   nominal excise tax applied and are not included in the excise tax cap provisions.

Section III: Excise Tax Cap

1. To avoid over-taxation on the products outlined in Section II-2a through II-2f, the above tax rates will be complementary with the federal budget, thus creating a tax cap that:

   a. if federal tax rates are higher than the Lincoln tax rate, the Lincoln rate shall not be applied.
   b. if federal tax rates are enacted, repealed, or adjusted, the Lincoln rate shall be adjusted accordingly.

Section IV: Stipulations

1. All provisions of this bill shall immediately go into effect upon passage.
2. No provisions of Section II-2g with respect to combined sugar or carbohydrate composition by fluid ounce shall apply to any individual restaurant or bar's specific menu-offered liquid alcoholic beverages that also contain a minimum of 4% ABV and that are offered "on tap", "by the drink" or otherwise as a single serving.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2023, 01:11:07 AM »

As LGC 12.10 was voted down, I have introduced the more narrowly tailored version as suggested by Laki for us to deliberate on.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2023, 10:09:06 AM »

Motion for a final vote

(Yes, I will ensure the Special election winner is allowed to vote)
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2023, 11:01:39 AM »

Reminder that the No Unjust Taxation Act eliminated a totally unnecessary flat sales tax in Lincoln. We are running a budget surplus in this region, so there is no need to haphazardly increase taxes.

Curiously, the language in this bill does not care to mention the sales tax whatsoever, only the vice tax portion. Again, if you wish to increase the vice tax on alcohol, tobacco, etc, that is a fair debate, but to re-institute a financial burden on working families in unconscionable.

I would encourage the government of Lincoln oppose this measure, and if you seek to raise the vice taxes, to introduce a new bill on the matter that specifically addresses this concern.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2023, 11:26:06 AM »

Reminder that the No Unjust Taxation Act eliminated a totally unnecessary flat sales tax in Lincoln. We are running a budget surplus in this region, so there is no need to haphazardly increase taxes.

Curiously, the language in this bill does not care to mention the sales tax whatsoever, only the vice tax portion. Again, if you wish to increase the vice tax on alcohol, tobacco, etc, that is a fair debate, but to re-institute a financial burden on working families in unconscionable.

I would encourage the government of Lincoln oppose this measure, and if you seek to raise the vice taxes, to introduce a new bill on the matter that specifically addresses this concern.

Respectfully, considering other legislation like ChristianMan Care, the Anti-Corruption Act, the Consumer Protection Act, the Affordable Energy Infrastructure Plan, and the Lincoln Solar and Wind growth Act, I am not sure to what extent we are actually running a surplus anymore.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2023, 12:08:05 PM »

A vote on this legislation is beginning.

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2023, 01:26:40 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2023, 04:18:13 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2023, 05:32:05 PM »

Switching to Nay, though I could support bringing the taxes back if it turns out we do not have a surplus during the next budget creation
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2023, 05:39:07 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2023, 11:18:30 PM »

Abstain. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2023, 11:54:44 PM »

2 Ayes, 2 Nays, 1 Abstain. The Governor shall break the Tie.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2023, 12:14:35 AM »

This has been seen. I am considering all possibilities and will make a forthcoming decision.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2023, 12:38:25 AM »

I am personally quite conflicted on various elements in this bill: I am personally opposed to consumption taxes as a general rule of thumb, open to legal drug use and yet not opposed to "vice/excise taxes".

Based on consultation with the Speaker (since Lincoln seemingly overhauls its methods of operation every 1-2 years in dramatic fashion), I will be voting AYE to break this tie - with the understanding that I will be issuing a redraft of this legislation for the Council to consider. I will not sign into law this bill in its current configuration.

As such, I will author a redraft soon for the Council to evaluate.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2023, 01:27:40 AM »

The bill is passed, 3-2-1, and awaits the further action of the governor.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2023, 10:12:59 PM »
« Edited: March 31, 2023, 04:12:06 AM by Governor Griff (LAB-SL) »

I have thought long and hard about this. On one hand, I am against general consumption ("sales") taxes on necessary products. On the other hand, I have no issue with select excise taxes on vices - particularly when they apply to substances that have known negative health effects that incur costs for the entire population & that are disproportionately incurred by individuals who are otherwise incapable of contributing a proportionate share toward said long-term costs.

As such, my redraft of the Don't Encourage Drug Use Act is as follows:

Quote from: Don't Encourage Drug Use Act
Section I: NPC Recall Elections Act

1. LGC 1.11, NPC Recall Elections Act, is hereby repealed as NPC elections are no longer simulated.

Section II: Excise Tax Rates for Certain Products

1. LGC 11.40, the No Unjust Taxation Act, is hereby repealed.

2. An excise tax shall be applied or adjusted for the following substances and products:

   a. all substances and products containing tetrahydrocannabinol and/or any of its derivatives: 5%
   b. all substances and products containing caffeine: 5%
   c. all substances and products containing tobacco or nicotine: 15%
   d. all substances and products containing alcohol: 15%
   e. all substances and products in liquid form containing more than 1.7g of refined sugars or other carbohydrates
   per fluid ounce: 25%
   f. all substances and products containing cocaine, psilocybin, opiates or opioids, or amphetamines that are
   otherwise legal but purchased without a prescription: 25%
   g. all substances and products where multiple aforementioned substances are combined shall have a cumulative
   nominal excise tax applied and are not included in the excise tax cap provisions.

Section III: Excise Tax Cap

1. To avoid over-taxation on the products outlined in Section II-2a through II-2f, the above tax rates will be complementary with the federal budget, thus creating a tax cap that:

   a. if federal tax rates are higher than the Lincoln tax rate, the Lincoln rate shall not be applied.
   b. if federal tax rates are enacted, repealed, or adjusted, the Lincoln rate shall be adjusted accordingly.

Section IV: Stipulations

1. All provisions of this bill shall immediately go into effect upon passage.
2. No provisions of Section II-2g with respect to combined sugar or carbohydrate composition by fluid ounce shall apply to any individual restaurant or bar's specific menu-offered liquid alcoholic beverages that also contain a minimum of 4% ABV and that are offered "on tap", "by the drink" or otherwise as a single serving.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2023, 10:21:52 PM »

Interesting. At a glance, I am open to this. Would welcome feedback from the other deputies on this.
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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2023, 09:36:01 PM »

As there appears to be no debate going on, I suppose it's time to open the vote on the Redraft.

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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2023, 10:01:34 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2023, 10:07:17 PM »

Mr. Speaker,

Would it be in order at this time to object to a vote on this? I wish to offer an amendment. 

I yield. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2023, 10:25:32 PM »

Members are advised that amending the redraft would open the full Slate of options up to the Governor again. They could issue another redraft, send the bill to the people, etc. Under the current situation, if we adopt the redraft that is the end of it, and if we reject it the Governor's options are limited to signing or vetoing the original bill.

I will also note that timings of votes on redrafts do not require motions and are thus at discretion of the Speaker.

However, I will recognize the gentleman's statement as a unanimous consent request.

Is there objection to voiding the ongoing vote and entertaining an amendment to the redraft?
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2023, 01:51:24 AM »

No objections. Abstain on the current vote if it goes forward
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2023, 05:56:47 PM »

Seeing no objections, I offer this amendment to the bill in question. 

Quote from: Don't Encourage Drug Use Act
Section I: NPC Recall Elections Act

1. LGC 1.11, NPC Recall Elections Act, is hereby repealed as NPC elections are no longer simulated.

Section II: Excise Tax Rates for Certain Products

1. LGC 11.40, the No Unjust Taxation Act, is hereby repealed.

2. An excise tax shall be applied or adjusted for the following substances and products:

   a. all substances and products containing tetrahydrocannabinol and/or any of its derivatives: 5%
   b. all substances and products containing caffeine: 5%
   c. all substances and products containing tobacco or nicotine: 15%
   d. all substances and products containing alcohol: 15%
   e. all substances and products in liquid form containing more than 1.7g of refined sugars or other carbohydrates
   per fluid ounce: 25%

   f. all substances and products containing cocaine, psilocybin, opiates or opioids, or amphetamines that are
   otherwise legal but purchased without a prescription: 25%
   g. all substances and products where multiple aforementioned substances are combined shall have a cumulative
   nominal excise tax applied and are not included in the excise tax cap provisions.

Section III: Excise Tax Cap

1. To avoid over-taxation on the products outlined in Section II-2a through II-2f, the above tax rates will be complementary with the federal budget, thus creating a tax cap that:

   a. if federal tax rates are higher than the Lincoln tax rate, the Lincoln rate shall not be applied.
   b. if federal tax rates are enacted, repealed, or adjusted, the Lincoln rate shall be adjusted accordingly.

Section IV: Stipulations

1. All provisions of this bill shall immediately go into effect upon passage.
2. No provisions of Section II-2g with respect to combined sugar or carbohydrate composition by fluid ounce shall apply to any individual restaurant or bar's specific menu-offered liquid alcoholic beverages that also contain a minimum of 4% ABV and that are offered "on tap", "by the drink" or otherwise as a single serving.

I'm OK with taxing drugs and alcohol, as they are more traditional "vices".  Caffeine and sugar are different stories. 

These are both unregulated substances; not only are they legal, they generally do less harm than drugs and alcohol.  As such, I don't see how punitive taxes on the usage of such are warranted here.

Now, about the rest of the bill; I will support it, provided this amendment is approved. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2023, 10:25:08 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2023, 02:52:52 AM »

Hearing no objection the vote is voided and the amendment will be considered. Is there objection to the amendment?
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