Lauren Boebert is about to become a grandmother at 36

[7,052,770]

Biden doesn't even acknowledge Navy Joan as his granddaughter, and unless something changed yesterday, that's still the case.

They treat her like a bastard.  Boebert doesn't do that. If Biden is torn about this situation, let him summon up the courage he seemed to find when he whipped Cornpop and do the right thing here.

Yet again, you are talking out of your ass. You are not privy to any private conversations between Biden and the child's mother. No, he hasn't had her visit the White House (which would probably be a great photo op if he did) but you have absolutely no idea if that idea has been floated or not, nor what anything else that may have been said or done. You of all people should know better than this. I am now far less sympathetic to your complaints about people commenting on your family situation without having the facts after this hypocrisy from you.

[muon2]

Teen parents aren't so unusual in rural families where college education is rare. I can speak from personal experience. My father's family came from rural Iowa, and I'm one of the few in the family with a college degree. My father was a grandfather at 36 (when I was 3), a great-grandfather at 54, and a great-great-grandfather at 69. At a family wedding in 2005 I took a picture that included all 5 generations.

[coloradocowboi]

Lauren Boebert shoots her neighbor's dog: blue avatars ask about Biden's German shepard

Lauren Boebert becomes a grandma at thirty something and praises teen pregnancy: blue avatars ask about Hunter

Lauren Boebert insults a Muslim member of Congress' faith: bue avatars exlaim but she's anti-semitic

You guys don't believe in personal responsibility at all lol. It's becoming untenable.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Biden doesn't even acknowledge Navy Joan as his granddaughter, and unless something changed yesterday, that's still the case.

They treat her like a bastard.  Boebert doesn't do that. If Biden is torn about this situation, let him summon up the courage he seemed to find when he whipped Cornpop and do the right thing here.

Yet again, you are talking out of your ass. You are not privy to any private conversations between Biden and the child's mother. No, he hasn't had her visit the White House (which would probably be a great photo op if he did) but you have absolutely no idea if that idea has been floated or not, nor what anything else that may have been said or done. You of all people should know better than this. I am now far less sympathetic to your complaints about people commenting on your family situation without having the facts after this hypocrisy from you.

Again:  Biden is a public figure.   Boebert is a public figure as well.  I'm not a public figure and that's the difference here.

You couldn't bring yourself to chide anyone here about their teeing off on Boebert (with less info than I have) until I chimed in.  Then you made it personal.   Yet you couldn't morally rouse yourself to say anything to the others before I weighed in.

The Bidens don't acknowledge this child as a family member.   They are fighting a motion by the mother to rename the child "Biden".  The family didn't even put a stocking on the Xmas tree for the child, as they did for other grandchildren. I'm sorry, but there have been enough signals that this child is not recognized as family member.  

[Ferguson97]

It's ridiculous to cite your own family situation to moralize about the Biden family, and then turn around and say that anyone using your own arguments about your family against you is off-limits. You can't have it both ways lol.

[America Needs R'hllor]

That's kind of cool honestly.

Yeah.
Good for her.

I know trad larping is an atlas tradition but her 17 years old son impregnated his 16 years old girlfriend. That's not cool, that's sad

[100% pro-life no matter what]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either (and I'm speaking to myself as well, being in my mid-to-late 20s and unmarried).

[Sir Mohamed]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either (and I'm speaking to myself as well, being in my mid-to-late 20s and unmarried).

For 95%+ of human history life expectancy was in the 30s or barely into the 40s though. Things have changed over time. Biologically and socially.

It's no different on other issues; even just 200 years ago, the average male was barely taller than 5'5. While 6'2 is still relatively tall by today's standards, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were considered exceptionally tall in their days. And that's not too long ago when we're talking about human history.

[emailking]

That's kind of cool honestly.

Yeah.
Good for her.

I know trad larping is an atlas tradition but her 17 years old son impregnated his 16 years old girlfriend. That's not cool, that's sad

Larping? You can disagree if you want but I meant what I said. I didn't know anything about and wasn't thinking about who impregnated who at what ages. Just that she's going to be a grandma at 36.

[Ferguson97]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either (and I'm speaking to myself as well, being in my mid-to-late 20s and unmarried).

Why do conservatives think that "for most of history, this was the norm" is ever a valid defense?

For most of human history, women were considered property, democracy did not exist, and the overwhelming majority of people lived in poverty.

[Ferguson97]

Anyway it's bizzare that conservatives by and large do not seem to see teen pregnancy as a bad thing.

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either (and I'm speaking to myself as well, being in my mid-to-late 20s and unmarried).

It should be.

[Devout Centrist]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either

This *was* normal in much of the Western world during the 20th century. America was the exception in that regard.

[Joe Kakistocracy]

Her 17 year old son impregnated a 15 year old girl.  And Lauren Boebert - a mom at 18 herself - doesn't support or believe in teaching sex education.  Funny how that works.

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either

This *was* normal in much of the Western world during the 20th century. America was the exception in that regard.

Also, what is wrong with giving young people time to build up lives and careers along with financial resources to give their children the best lives possible?

This is ultimately what it comes down to seeing a society of forcibly-married 25 year olds with four unwanted kids who live in poverty more favorable over an stable & loving family that happens to be a decade older.

[The DEI Hire]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.  I wish they were both married when they had kids, but let's not act like people waiting until their 30s to get married and have kids is normal either

This *was* normal in much of the Western world during the 20th century. America was the exception in that regard.

Also, what is wrong with giving young people time to build up lives and careers along with financial resources to give their children the best lives possible?

This is ultimately what it comes down to seeing a society of forcibly-married 25 year olds with four unwanted kids who live in poverty more favorable over an stable & loving family that happens to be a decade older.

Fertility.

[Devout Centrist]

Fertility.

Women do not go barren the moment they turn 35, I’m afraid.

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

Fertility.

Women do not go barren the moment they turn 35, I’m afraid.

Matt Walsh in shambles.

[The DEI Hire]

Fertility.

Women do not go barren the moment they turn 35, I’m afraid.

They are significantly less fertile, may take a longer time to actually become pregnant, the risks of miscarriage or stillbirth are much higher, they are more likely to have a high risk pregnancy, and their children are more likely to be born premature, at a low birth weight, or have a higher likelihood of chromosomal abnormalities.

Can a woman get pregnant at 35? Of course they can, but it's significantly harder for that woman to get pregnant and have a healthy pregnancy than if she was pregnant at a younger age. Denying this fact is straight up denying science.

[Devout Centrist]

They are significantly less fertile

From the American College of Obstretricians and Gynecologists:

For healthy couples in their 20s and early 30s, around 1 in 4 women will get pregnant in any single menstrual cycle. By age 40, around 1 in 10 will get pregnant per menstrual cycle. A man’s fertility also declines with age, but not as predictably.

This study from the Journal of Human Reproduction published in 2002 suggests that while there is a significant decline in fertility associated with age, having sex during or immediately after ovulation still yielded an approximate ~29% rate of day specific pregnancy probably, which is still favorable for pregnancy to occur. This suggests that, while it will be harder for women to conceive in their mid-to-late thirties, it isn't astronomically difficult to do so.

the risks of miscarriage or stillbirth are much higher

This is true, but the risk only becomes a much worse problem after age 40. This study from the British Medical Journal (BMJ) analyzed all Norwegian women that were pregnant between 2009-13. They found that, while the risk of miscarriage rose rapidly after age 30, it did not increase above 30% until after a woman's 40th birthday. Here is a graphic from the chart to illustrate the risk of miscarriage according to maternal age:



There is certainly a substantial increase after age 30, but this data suggests it doesn't become particularly problematic for fertile women with no underlying complications until after age 40.

they are more likely to have a high risk pregnancy and their children are more likely to be born premature, and their children are more likely to be born premature, at a low birth weight, or have a higher likelihood of chromosomal abnormalities.

Again, this is true, but the risk is not catastrophic for women under the age of 40. This study found on the National Library of Medicine used hospital inpatient billing data from the 2009 United States Nationwide Inpatient Sample to calculate associations between maternal age and prevalence of maternal morbidity during complications of labor and delivery.

The study found that the rate of any pregnancy complications for women between the ages of 35-39 was 205.6 per 1000 live births. This is compared to 199. 3 per 1000 live births in mothers aged 20 to 24 and 187.9 per 1000 live births for mothers aged 25 to 29. The rates for premature delivery were similarly correlated; 75.4 per 1000 live births for mothers aged 35 to 39 were premature while the rate was 73.9 per 1000 live births for mothers aged 20 to 24.

I don't have much data on birth weight or chromosomal abnormalities to report, but clearly there is a higher risk of complications during labor for women over the age of 35. However, it shouldn't be enough to dissuade women with no pre-existing conditions from attempting to conceive until after their 40th birthday.

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All of this is to say, life is full of trade offs. It may be worthwhile for some couples to conceive sooner if they have underlying fertility issues or known complications. At the same time, parental stability, income, and maturity are very real concerns; couples have differing priorities they have to balance. That's life.

Some, in fact many, may decide that these concerns are more pressing than having kids in the short term. That's okay! Trying to conceive over the age of 35, let alone the age of 30, is not an impossibility nor does it condemn the mother or her child to life altering complications. Waiting to have a child may be the best possible option depending on the couple's situation.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Didn't Republicans for decades rant about teen pregnancies? And how that's a loss of family values? We can say it again: It's always projection.

Imagine the outrage if that was Brandon's granddaughter.

Brandon disowns his granddaughter that Hunter fathered with a stripper.  That's a shame.   If I were little Navy's grandpa, she'd be one of the Family, period.  And so would just about everyone I know, regardless of party and politics.   (Or religion, for that matter. )

I agree that it’s a shame regarding Biden’s estranged granddaughter. Perhaps not quite as much a shame as a man writing his niece and nephew and their children out of his fabulously rich father’s will because his niece and nephew’s father was a good man who was driven to alcoholism and death by his own father, who was a sociopathic tyrant.

Thank God Joe Biden didn’t run against a man like that. Thank God a man like that was never President.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Congrats

[afleitch]

Her 17 year old son impregnated a 15 year old girl.

Interesting how this fact seems to be lost in the entire three pages of responses.

[Joe Kakistocracy]

Her 17 year old son impregnated a 15 year old girl.

Interesting how this fact seems to be lost in the entire three pages of responses.

That's because it no longer matters any more.  Republicans are now forcing 11 year old rape victims to carry to term, and resisting efforts to impose a minimum age to be allowed to marry.  Who cares about such silly things as an "age of consent"?  Not when girls are at their most fertile, you see.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

For like 95%+ of human history, this was just the norm.

Actually it wasn't. Very young marriages were historically things that happened in aristocratic circles for essentially political reasons, otherwise people would tend to marry quite a bit later (depending on the society in question often significantly later in the case of men). Children born to mothers under twenty were nearly always born out of wedlock as a result of fornication, and there was heavy social censure around that in nearly every society.