People you consider more evil than Hitler

[maclennanc2]

Is there anybody who has ever lived who you consider to be worse than Hitler? If so, who would it be?

[John Dule]

I think the people with a real claim to the title of “worse than Hitler” are serial killers like Albert Fish. These people inflict just as much gruesome pain on individuals as dictators do, and they can’t even justify it as “for the greater good.” They just enjoy causing suffering. That, to me, is worse than Hitler.

[Santander]

Trump and Obama.

[TheReckoning]

Heinrich Himmler

[HillGoose]

you know hitler may be the worst person to ever live

personally though i think it is a 6-way tie between Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Osama Bin Laden.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Reinhard Heydrich

[BG-NY]

There are probably some on a similar level, but I think he’s the worst…takes a special kind of evil to systemically murder your own citizens. People like the Khans and Huns raided, but in the pre-modern world that was more typical fare.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

A great many people in the Ustashe were more evil than Hitler.

[All Along The Watchtower]

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[Sir Mohamed]

NOTA, Hitler was the most evil individual. Stalin is a very close 2nd.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Ope

I forgot

The dude who invented emo music 

BRTD?

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Oskar Dirlewanger

[CumbrianLefty]

There are probably some on a similar level, but I think he’s the worst…takes a special kind of evil to systemically murder your own citizens. People like the Khans and Huns raided, but in the pre-modern world that was more typical fare.

The likes of Genghis Khan and Tamerlane killed on an industrial scale - and there is a good case that the Mongol sack of Baghdad in 1258 is one of the single most catastrophic events in human history; maybe the biggest loss to our knowledge base since the library in Alexandria burnt down.

Good to see Macias Nguema in this poll btw - anybody who doesn't know about him already could do worse than to read the Wikpedia article on him, which leaves out several bizarre and/or shocking details. And if he and Amin are on this, Bokassa should be too - he had schoolkids slaughtered en masse (shot/clubbed to death) for not buying his personally designed expensive school uniforms FFS.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Ok fine, I’ll play.

Write-in: Alfred Rosenberg.

[President Johnson]

Trump and Obama.

This. Trump for wearing his ties too long and Obama for wearing a tan suit.

/s

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Trump and Obama.

This. Trump for wearing his ties too long and Obama for wearing a tan suit.

/s

People have to quit it with this "/s" bullsh#t.

[GeneralMacArthur]

You can make a pretty decent case for Pol Pot and Mao Zedong.  Like Hitler, they harbored and intense hatred towards particular groups of people, and when given the power to act on that hatred, implemented a policy of widespread industrialized mass-slaughter, while simultaneously using the oppressive power of the state to try and brainwash their entire population into agreeing that the hated groups deserved to suffer and die.

If you were to make the case for those two as more evil than Hitler, it would be because while Hitler saw the Jews and other ethnicities as an inferior race, and worked to torture and murder them en masse, he saw his own German people as a superior race that he wanted to build his Aryan utopia for.  Similar to Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot harbored intense hatred for intellectuals, landowners, peasants with too many chickens, teachers, businessmen, wrongthinkers, people who wore glasses, etc. and endeavored to torture and murder them.  But they also saw the rest of their people as just idiotic swine to be pacified and abused.

Even if you weren't a class enemy in the People's Republic of China, you still ran the risk of having all your property stolen, being humiliated in the street and tortured into submission, and then turned into a slave for Mao's latest idiotic project while you watched your family starve to death, which Mao would simply mark as another number on a sheet of paper.

Even if you weren't an intellectual or ethnic minority in Democratic Kampuchea, you would still be forced at gunpoint to surrender all your possessions and march out to some swampland where you'd slowly be worked and starved to death while your children were abducted and taken to an indoctrination center to be turned into slaves for the state, if they were lucky enough to not be used for horrifying medical experiments or sexual slavery.

Is that more evil than Hitler?  It's an extremely high bar to clear, but the case could definitely be made.

[Alben Barkley]

You can make a case for a few of these people and, as John Dule said, perhaps some lower-level offenders who would have possibly been worse if given Hitler's level of power.

But at the end of the day it's just pointless arguing. Evil is evil. And Hitler certainly deserves his reputation as the epitome of evil.

[Ferguson97]

You can make a case for a few of these people and, as John Dule said, perhaps some lower-level offenders who would have possibly been worse if given Hitler's level of power.

But at the end of the day it's just pointless arguing. Evil is evil. And Hitler certainly deserves his reputation as the epitome of evil.

Agreed. Could someone like Fisch have done more damage than Hitler given the opportunity? Possibly. But he didn't, so we've got to go with evil that has actually occurred, rather than potential evil.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The reason Heydrich would qualify is he was arguably the whole reason the "Final Solution" was even implemented. The Nazis were always nasty but the "Final Solution" was initially a fringe position amongst them that even Hitler didn't support, what most Nazis wanted was either Jews becoming a second class of citizens similar to blacks in apartheid South Africa or expelling them all from the new Reich. But Heydrich insisted on the "Final Solution" as the only option and convinced Hitler to his point of view.

Also the actions he took under his SS leadership and as "Protector" of the German occupied Czech puppet state were especially nasty even by SS standards. There's a reason he was targeted for assassination by British intelligence and killed as early as 1942, the Brits realized thus guy was a whole other class of monster and had to be removed ASAP.

[Alben Barkley]

The reason Heydrich would qualify is he was arguably the whole reason the "Final Solution" was even implemented. The Nazis were always nasty but the "Final Solution" was initially a fringe position amongst them that even Hitler didn't support, what most Nazis wanted was either Jews becoming a second class of citizens similar to blacks in apartheid South Africa or expelling them all from the new Reich. But Heydrich insisted on the "Final Solution" as the only option and convinced Hitler to his point of view.

Also the actions he took under his SS leadership and as "Protector" of the German occupied Czech puppet state were especially nasty even by SS standards. There's a reason he was targeted for assassination by British intelligence and killed as early as 1942, the Brits realized thus guy was a whole other class of monster and had to be removed ASAP.

Kenneth Branagh has never been more chilling than in the movie Conspiracy for all the reasons you say. And also thank God Heydrich was killed when he was. No one has ever deserved death more.

That said, the buck ultimately stopped with Hitler, and it was his ideology and actions and approval which enabled all of it to happen in the end. It's easy to imagine someone else taking Heydrich's place; not so easy to imagine someone taking Hitler's.

[Mr. Ukucasha]

The reason Heydrich would qualify is he was arguably the whole reason the "Final Solution" was even implemented. The Nazis were always nasty but the "Final Solution" was initially a fringe position amongst them that even Hitler didn't support, what most Nazis wanted was either Jews becoming a second class of citizens similar to blacks in apartheid South Africa or expelling them all from the new Reich. But Heydrich insisted on the "Final Solution" as the only option and convinced Hitler to his point of view.

Also the actions he took under his SS leadership and as "Protector" of the German occupied Czech puppet state were especially nasty even by SS standards. There's a reason he was targeted for assassination by British intelligence and killed as early as 1942, the Brits realized thus guy was a whole other class of monster and had to be removed ASAP.

A lot of this is not true actually. There is evidence Hitler wanted to kill all Jews as early as the 1920's (Gemlich letter, Hitler's 1922 interview with Joseph Heil, etc.).

However, Hitler was an extremely pragmatic man. His pragmatism led him to realize early on in his reign that killing Jews would not be feasible, so he first opted towards extreme discrimination and expulsions. However, many countries, including the US, refused to take in Jewish refugees.

However, once it became clear that killing Jews would be feasible, especially under the "fog of war" caused by WWII, Hitler forbade fleeing and sought to kill them all. At this point, he actually became staunchly opposed to Jewish emigration out of the Third Reich because "they could still harm Germany from other countries." He especially opposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine because he believed it could serve as a haven for "World Jewry" to carry out its nefarious plans.

The idea that Heydrich was the one who came up with the Final Solution is utterly ridiculous. In fact, Heydrich was one of the least personally anti-Semitic people in Hitler's inner circle. He had many good relationships with Jews and harbored no serious ill feelings towards them. He wasn't even a diehard Nazi and joined the party largely for career advancement. I think you are confusing Heydrich with Himmler. Himmler played a far, far, far bigger role in coming up with the Final Solution and its not even close.

However, it is true that Heydrich is considered to be particularly evil compared to other Nazis, to the point where even Hitler called him "the man with an Iron heart." However, this is largely because he wasn't a true believer in Nazism like the other top Nazis were. Guys like Hitler truly believed that Jews were evil and needed to be exterminated. In contrast, guys like Heydrich thought that Hitler's ideas about Jews were nonsense. However, he still enthusiastically carried out the Final Solution in the most vile, vicious manner possible because he wanted to rise within the ranks of the Nazi Party and impress the Fuhrer. The fact that Heydrich did what he did despite not being a true believer in Nazism is what makes him particularly evil.  

[Mr. Ukucasha]

The reason Heydrich would qualify is he was arguably the whole reason the "Final Solution" was even implemented. The Nazis were always nasty but the "Final Solution" was initially a fringe position amongst them that even Hitler didn't support, what most Nazis wanted was either Jews becoming a second class of citizens similar to blacks in apartheid South Africa or expelling them all from the new Reich. But Heydrich insisted on the "Final Solution" as the only option and convinced Hitler to his point of view.

Also the actions he took under his SS leadership and as "Protector" of the German occupied Czech puppet state were especially nasty even by SS standards. There's a reason he was targeted for assassination by British intelligence and killed as early as 1942, the Brits realized thus guy was a whole other class of monster and had to be removed ASAP.

"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews."

-Adolf Hitler, 1922, 10 years before a large plurality of the German electorate would vote for his party.

Source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#1922

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Among modern figures Keshav Baliram Hedgewar and Theodor Herzl are up there

Please do elaborate!

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Shirō Ishii.

In general I notice a conspicuous lack of figures from that era of Japanese history in this thread.