Thoughts on this wacky "3 national urban/suburban/rural zones" representation idea?
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« on: March 01, 2023, 03:16:25 AM »
« edited: March 01, 2023, 03:31:41 AM by Blue3 »

Thoughts on this wacky "3 national urban/suburban/rural zones" representation idea?

Let's not focus on how we get there (constitutional convention, whatever) but let's say the US adopts a new model without too much else changing (at least before this new model is put into place). No revolution or any big new crisis.

The idea is that instead of 50 states, 5 territories, and DC, there are 3 "zones"
1. Urban
2. Suburban
3. Rural
*National Parks, with 0 population, are still run by the Department of Interior

Organization
-They don't need to be connected physically.
-They are each split into districts, just like how a state like California has all of its cities and towns.

Size
-The smallest a district can go is 1 square mile geographically, and 1000 people demographically.
-The largest a district can go is 10,000 square miles geographically, and 1 Million people demographically.

Political Governance
-Each district has the equivalent of a mix between a Mayor and a large, representative City Council.
-Each of the 3 zones has the equivalent of a mix between a Governor and a large, representative State Legislature.

Federal Representation
-For Congress, still have a Senate and a House.
-The Senate is much smaller, with 3 Senators per state (1 per each 6 year cycle, so each federal election always has a Senator election for their Zone).
-The House is much bigger, and instead of based in designated number by federal statute like 435, instead each Congressional District is equal to each of these Sub-zone districts.
-Each Zone and District is adjusted once every 10 years, according to the national Census (first adjusting the Zones, then adjusting the Districts).


Overall, the literal definition version of Federalism is much stronger, more like early United States. A lot is designated away from our current national/"federal" government to the 3 states/zones. Likewise, each Zone/state delegates a lot towards its districts.

For example (just an example)
-maybe Social Security is one of those things that the national government in Washington DC now delegates to the states
---maybe the Urban Zone has a Social Security program that's run similar to how it's run nationally now, that's the exact same for all people in its districts, and there's a debate to expand it to become a Universal Basic Income instead of just 65+
---maybe the Suburban Zone decided to have retirement saving completely privatized, or just allowed at the district-level if they so choose
---maybe the Rural Zone decided to keep Social Security largely similar, but for some additional regional/district variation


My 4 questions:
1. What are your thoughts, in general, on this whole idea?
2. What remaining questions would you have about this system?
3. If this was implemented (again forget the how but assume no radical events) do you think it would be more successful than the current system?
4. What do you predict the first 25 years of the system would look like for the country overall and for each zone?


Also, to be clear, I'm thinking of how experts talk about how we are in more of an urban-rural divide politically than anything else, and maps like these:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/2020_United_States_presidential_election_results_map_by_county.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Results_by_county_of_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election_with_counties_scaled_by_number_of_votes_cast.png


As well as articles like this NYT 2016 article:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2023, 03:36:03 AM »

How are mini-metros counted under this scheme?
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2023, 03:38:02 AM »

Examples?
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2023, 03:46:05 AM »

I guess Waco, Burlington, Mankato, and Pocatello would fit as examples?
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2023, 07:03:40 AM »

So this makes us Bosnia or something?
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2023, 07:31:03 AM »

I don't think institutionally reifying the metropoles-periphery divide which is already tearing this country apart would be a good way to preserve its unity. There's a good argument for creating a few city-states out of the largest metropolitan areas so that the non-metropolitan parts of these states have a better chance to have their concerns heard (Upstate NY and Downstate IL come to mind especially - or on the other end of things, letting the Houston and Dallas areas free from Texas' control) but that should probably come along with wider reforms that reduce the winner-take-all character of US politics which encourages geographic polarization to begin with.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2023, 09:19:44 AM »

Only if suburbanites are recognized as a specific group but remain the minority in a common urban-suburban entity, with their candidate for the tripartite presidency being elected by urbanites who oppose suburban interests.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2023, 09:45:38 AM »

Only if suburbanites are recognized as a specific group but remain the minority in a common urban-suburban entity, with their candidate for the tripartite presidency being elected by urbanites who oppose suburban interests.

...okay, when you put it like that, that actually sounds like a great idea.
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