NC GOP finally announces medicaid expansion

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/AlexBaltzegar/status/1631325902893355010

[Ferguson97]

Lol work requirements

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Disappointing to hear. I have a lot of respect for the state legislature, and I understand why they're doing this, but medicaid expansion is still a bad move and will hurt the state.

[Smash Hamas]

They realize that it’s harder to work when you’re sick or disabled, right? This is better than nothing I suppose but it doesn’t do as much as one would hope.

[NYDem]

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

[gerritcole]

Disappointing to hear. I have a lot of respect for the state legislature, and I understand why they're doing this, but medicaid expansion is still a bad move and will hurt the state.

why is more people getting to see the doc bad? don't say money cause most of it comes from the fed and money is fake anways we just print more

[Smash Hamas]

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

It seems like they don’t really care and they just want something to campaign on in 2024

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Disappointing to hear. I have a lot of respect for the state legislature, and I understand why they're doing this, but medicaid expansion is still a bad move and will hurt the state.

why is more people getting to see the doc bad? don't say money cause most of it comes from the fed and money is fake anways we just print more

Most of the money comes from the federal government in the short term, but the money phases out over time, leaving the state with a large burden. The state of North Carolina can't print money, and even if it could that would just be another way of raising taxes, meaning the same issue occurs either way.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

They realize that it’s harder to work when you’re sick or disabled, right? This is better than nothing I suppose but it doesn’t do as much as one would hope.

Disabled North Carolinians are already exempt from work requirements so long as they are deemed disabled by the social security administration. I'm not sure what sick means here, but if you're referring to chronic illness that can be covered by the SSA definition of disabled.

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

The idea is that while those without jobs may "need" medicaid more, taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize people who are choosing not to work.

[Yoda]

I'd like to see work requirements introduced in order for the legislature to receive their generous state-sponsored healthcare. Don't accomplish anything for the people, don't pass any bills that are bipartisan enough for the Governor to consider signing into law? No health care for you. To the private market with you.

A pipe dream, I know. Republicans will never, ever consent to live by the rules that they insist poor people must live by.

[Sestak]

Hopefully this goes through. Little skeptical after the last few efforts fell apart here (and similarly in Kansas).

[Indy Texas]

Disappointing to hear. I have a lot of respect for the state legislature, and I understand why they're doing this, but medicaid expansion is still a bad move and will hurt the state.

why is more people getting to see the doc bad? don't say money cause most of it comes from the fed and money is fake anways we just print more

Most of the money comes from the federal government in the short term, but the money phases out over time, leaving the state with a large burden. The state of North Carolina can't print money, and even if it could that would just be another way of raising taxes, meaning the same issue occurs either way.

The money does not phase out over time. It will never be phased out precisely because of what a political nonstarter it would be.

North Carolina has a per capita GDP higher than that of Nevada, Vermont, Louisiana, and several other states that expanded Medicaid years ago.

If they can afford it, you can afford it.

[Nyvin]

Disappointing to hear. I have a lot of respect for the state legislature, and I understand why they're doing this, but medicaid expansion is still a bad move and will hurt the state.

why is more people getting to see the doc bad? don't say money cause most of it comes from the fed and money is fake anways we just print more

Most of the money comes from the federal government in the short term, but the money phases out over time, leaving the state with a large burden. The state of North Carolina can't print money, and even if it could that would just be another way of raising taxes, meaning the same issue occurs either way.

The Federal Government pays 100% of the costs for the first two years and then after that they pay 90%.  The state only pays for 10% from the third year onwards.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

It's a "deservingness" mindset that goes hand-in-hand with other moral attitudes like the just-world fallacy that, in American politics right now, tend to correlate strongly with right-wing political views. (Not always, though; Bildad the Shuhite could have said "roses are red/tacos are enjoyable/don't hate Mexicans because you're unemployable" or however that stupid slogan went.)

[DrScholl]

Work requirements are about nothing but pointless moralizing. What happens if a person loses their job, do they lose their coverage? People need to have coverage regardless of employment.

[😢]

Better than nothing, I suppose.

Still would prefer a public option using existing Medicare infrastructure to force private insurers to lower costs, however.

[politicallefty]

Work requirements are about nothing but pointless moralizing. What happens if a person loses their job, do they lose their coverage? People need to have coverage regardless of employment.

The Biden Administration needs to fight work requirements with every last resource. I do remember the Trump Administration losing on that issue in the DC Circuit with a pretty conservative panel. The Supreme Court was supposed to take it up, but it was mooted when Biden took over and rescinded the waivers. Medicaid is not a work program. It's a healthcare program. Of course, for blue avatars and those on the right as a whole, healthcare is a privilege.

[Ashley Graves > human pet guy]

They realize that it’s harder to work when you’re sick or disabled, right? This is better than nothing I suppose but it doesn’t do as much as one would hope.

Disabled North Carolinians are already exempt from work requirements so long as they are deemed disabled by the social security administration. I'm not sure what sick means here, but if you're referring to chronic illness that can be covered by the SSA definition of disabled.

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

The idea is that while those without jobs may "need" medicaid more, taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize people who are choosing not to work.

Are you aware that many disabled people aren't actually able to get the needed stuff to be declared disabled by SSA?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

They realize that it’s harder to work when you’re sick or disabled, right? This is better than nothing I suppose but it doesn’t do as much as one would hope.

Disabled North Carolinians are already exempt from work requirements so long as they are deemed disabled by the social security administration. I'm not sure what sick means here, but if you're referring to chronic illness that can be covered by the SSA definition of disabled.

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

The idea is that while those without jobs may "need" medicaid more, taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize people who are choosing not to work.

Are you aware that many disabled people aren't actually able to get the needed stuff to be declared disabled by SSA?

This is very true. My Mom only finally got the medical history to get disability because a relative took her. Within two or three months of her approval, she was dead. She should have had it ten years prior at minimum.

Skimping on preventative healthcare and regular health maintenance is one of the dumbest things about this country and is one of the most penny wise and pound foolish aspect of so called "fiscal conservatives" in this country.

[🌹🇺🇦🇵🇸]

How many lives have been ruined in the interim by medical debt or lack of healthcare access, just because state Republicans insist on putting aimless partisanship over their constituents?

Also, haven't the liberal bastions of Louisiana and Kentucky had this for years? And afaik the programs in those states are immensely popular, especially Beshear's expansion in Kentucky.

[West_Midlander]

Work requirements for Medicaid/Welfare are a policy that I will never understand. Even if you’re taking the minimal position on the social safety net, wouldn’t people without jobs be the ones who need the programs in the first place? Wouldn’t they be the only ones you’d cover if you had to cover as few people as possible?

It seems like they don’t really care and they just want something to campaign on in 2024

Ds have no path to a majority for state leg imo but this popular issue probably fades into irrelevancy once the husk concession bill becomes law so that we have "Medicaid expanded" already. It's probably easier to campaign on Medicaid Expansion for Dems, instead of Medicaid Expansion Extension, is my point.

[MasterJedi]

I'd like to see work requirements introduced in order for the legislature to receive their generous state-sponsored healthcare. Don't accomplish anything for the people, don't pass any bills that are bipartisan enough for the Governor to consider signing into law? No health care for you. To the private market with you.

A pipe dream, I know. Republicans will never, ever consent to live by the rules that they insist poor people must live by.

8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. 5 vacation days a year, plus major holidays. 3 days of unapproved absence means they fired.