Tennessee about to become the first state to pass a ban on drag shows (for minors)

[YoshiyaDayan]

Terrible.  My state is on track to do the same.

Many Republicans want to install a Christian version of Sharia Law.  They are not for freedom, and anyone who thinks they are has a bizarre idea of what “freedom” means.

What the hell is wrong with keeping half-naked perverts away from little kids?

There isn't.  But why are you talking about it here?

Look at the title of this thread and the liberal depression about it. You can see why a Republican would get involved.

The only thing I notice is that your seeming sophomoric attempts at trolling do not seem to be getting much traction, which is a credit to the forum.

I'm not a troll or a hack, I'm just a Trump Conservative that doesn't conform to your woke liberal agenda.

[Atlasia GM Liminal]

Terrible.  My state is on track to do the same.

Many Republicans want to install a Christian version of Sharia Law.  They are not for freedom, and anyone who thinks they are has a bizarre idea of what “freedom” means.

What the hell is wrong with keeping half-naked perverts away from little kids?

There isn't.  But why are you talking about it here?

Look at the title of this thread and the liberal depression about it. You can see why a Republican would get involved.

The only thing I notice is that your seeming sophomoric attempts at trolling do not seem to be getting much traction, which is a credit to the forum.

I'm not a troll or a hack, I'm just a Trump Conservative that doesn't conform to your woke liberal agenda.

The woke Liberal Agenda will be so destroyed if you people storm the Capitol again

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

Drag is not inherently sexual, though most acts are pretty R rated. It's sort of like mime or clowning though. It can be completely PG if the performer so chooses.

Drag queen story hours are sort of like having an interracial kiss off in northern Arkansas 5 years after the civil rights act was passed. Of course the people kissing are morally in the right, but they are trying to force the conservative folks to evolve too quickly, which only results in backlash. Gay rights have made such immense strides in just the past few decades. Let's not overdo it just to get points with overly woke white moms and weird, terminally online social justice activitists.

I am against this bill of course.

That moment when your argument implicity calls two people having an interracial kiss in the 1970's "going too far" and you don't reconsider it.

[Horus]

Drag is not inherently sexual, though most acts are pretty R rated. It's sort of like mime or clowning though. It can be completely PG if the performer so chooses.

Drag queen story hours are sort of like having an interracial kiss off in northern Arkansas 5 years after the civil rights act was passed. Of course the people kissing are morally in the right, but they are trying to force the conservative folks to evolve too quickly, which only results in backlash. Gay rights have made such immense strides in just the past few decades. Let's not overdo it just to get points with overly woke white moms and weird, terminally online social justice activitists.

I am against this bill of course.

That moment when your argument implicity calls two people having an interracial kiss in the 1970's "going too far" and you don't reconsider it.

I'm speaking from the perspective of conservatives at that time. I also stated that obviously the people kissing were morally in the right. Are you illiterate?

My point is oftentimes civil rights develop organically and it's important to pick your battles instead of digging in over silly stuff. The hang up over drag queen story hour is a very stupid battle to fight as no civil rights are impacted.

Also you're the one who defends segregated events like affinity groups that often implicitly and sometimes even explicitly promote identitarian rhetoric.

[Torie]

Since Joe has been doing such a good job here making "the fight" somewhat unbalanced shall we say, and apologies if it is mentioned above, I thought I would throw this on the table.  Should parents be informed in advance be informed of such events, and have some ability to opt out for their kids? This would apply obviously only to classrooms in public schools.

Do parents at present in any context have such opt out privileges in public school settings?

[YoshiyaDayan]

Terrible.  My state is on track to do the same.

Many Republicans want to install a Christian version of Sharia Law.  They are not for freedom, and anyone who thinks they are has a bizarre idea of what “freedom” means.

What the hell is wrong with keeping half-naked perverts away from little kids?

There isn't.  But why are you talking about it here?

Look at the title of this thread and the liberal depression about it. You can see why a Republican would get involved.

The only thing I notice is that your seeming sophomoric attempts at trolling do not seem to be getting much traction, which is a credit to the forum.

I'm not a troll or a hack, I'm just a Trump Conservative that doesn't conform to your woke liberal agenda.

The woke Liberal Agenda will be so destroyed if you people storm the Capitol again

nice try we aren't fooled you framed us once you can't do it again

[Joe Kakistocracy]

Don't feed the 14 year old, folks.  I did it once but know better now.

Since Joe has been doing such a good job here making "the fight" somewhat unbalanced shall we say, and apologies if it is mentioned above, I thought I would throw this on the table.  Should parents be informed in advance be informed of such events, and have some ability to opt out for their kids? This would apply obviously only to classrooms in public schools.

Do parents at present in any context have such opt out privileges in public school settings?

Drag queen story time is not common at all in public school settings, and it's difficult to research exactly how common because the internet is awash in histrionic misinformation from right-wing Helen Lovejoy groups.  But typically the parents are made aware before any 'guest presenters' come to talk to their captive audience children in the classroom, and are then given opt-out rights.  That's how it's supposed to work in all schools, anyway.

It's barely even common in public libraries as it is, and of course any child is there voluntarily with the consent and approval of their parent/caregiver who brought them to see it.

[Mr. Matt]

It's always projection part 69,420,666:

Original thread

He doesn't deny it.

[7,052,770]

It's always projection part 69,420,666:

Original thread

He doesn't deny it.

That reminds me of my public high school in Mississippi that had "mock homecoming" every year where boys would wear dresses for the laughs and one would be crowned the mock homecoming queen. I never did it - it was more of a popular/jock thing. I wonder if they've gotten their marching orders to stop it now that drag is suddenly sexual and evil.

(In all likelihood they canceled it in 2020 for COVID and conveniently never brought it back.)

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

Drag is not inherently sexual, though most acts are pretty R rated. It's sort of like mime or clowning though. It can be completely PG if the performer so chooses.

Drag queen story hours are sort of like having an interracial kiss off in northern Arkansas 5 years after the civil rights act was passed. Of course the people kissing are morally in the right, but they are trying to force the conservative folks to evolve too quickly, which only results in backlash. Gay rights have made such immense strides in just the past few decades. Let's not overdo it just to get points with overly woke white moms and weird, terminally online social justice activitists.

I am against this bill of course.

That moment when your argument implicity calls two people having an interracial kiss in the 1970's "going too far" and you don't reconsider it.

I'm speaking from the perspective of conservatives at that time. I also stated that obviously the people kissing were morally in the right. Are you illiterate?

My point is oftentimes civil rights develop organically and it's important to pick your battles instead of digging in over silly stuff. The hang up over drag queen story hour is a very stupid battle to fight as no civil rights are impacted.

Also you're the one who defends segregated events like affinity groups that often implicitly and sometimes even explicitly promote identitarian rhetoric.

Your comparison for "not digging in over silly stuff" is two people of different races kissing. Calling that "picking fights" is kinda weird. I'm not getting into the argument about drag queens, but learn to make better analogies at least.

[Joe Biden 2028]

I don't wish this to be banned for ADULTS.  If adults want this garbage, let them have at it. 

Drag, in all its forms, is inappropriate for children.  Children should not be exposed to this sort of thing on the taxpayer's dime.

Why?  Come on, I answered your question in some depth, but you're very clearly avoiding mine.

There's plenty of forms of entertainment I don't particularly care for despite never actually experiencing it first-hand, e.g. NASCAR.  That doesn't mean I want to see it banned for children, and if I tried to argue as such, I would at least attempt to make a case!

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

[2,284,967]

OK? If I'm 14 I shouldn't be allowed to go a stripclub this makes sense???

[7,052,770]

I don't wish this to be banned for ADULTS.  If adults want this garbage, let them have at it. 

Drag, in all its forms, is inappropriate for children.  Children should not be exposed to this sort of thing on the taxpayer's dime.

Why?  Come on, I answered your question in some depth, but you're very clearly avoiding mine.

There's plenty of forms of entertainment I don't particularly care for despite never actually experiencing it first-hand, e.g. NASCAR.  That doesn't mean I want to see it banned for children, and if I tried to argue as such, I would at least attempt to make a case!

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Again, are Bugs Bunny and Steve Urkel really "adult content" in your mind? Does my family need to suspend our annual tradition of watching White Christmas together until my daughter turns 18?

[Joe Kakistocracy]

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Do you ever read the threads you post in, or any of the responses people have already given you?  You're kind of notorious for this.

If you had, you might have seen me repeatedly make this exact same point, which still remains unaddressed by you and Fuzzy Bear:

Next they should ban all movies from being shown in public, because some of them are R-rated.

Drag shows are adult content. Should not be in public places where they can be seen by kids

Some drag shows are adult content.  Some are not, such as the kind that you see in public libraries.

Drag shows are sexually-based "entertainment".

Are all movies "sexually-based entertainment" because R-rated movies exist?  You're going to need to elaborate on that statement, because it appears you just don't know what you're talking about.

Harry has also asked his same exact question four times, and you guys haven't bothered answering him either.


——

Pres Mike: The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

Us:  Sure, the sky is often blue.  But it can also be gray, pink, purple, white, orange, black, and sometimes even green!

Pres Mike: *no response for a day or two*  The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

[Joe Biden 2028]

I don't wish this to be banned for ADULTS.  If adults want this garbage, let them have at it. 

Drag, in all its forms, is inappropriate for children.  Children should not be exposed to this sort of thing on the taxpayer's dime.

Why?  Come on, I answered your question in some depth, but you're very clearly avoiding mine.

There's plenty of forms of entertainment I don't particularly care for despite never actually experiencing it first-hand, e.g. NASCAR.  That doesn't mean I want to see it banned for children, and if I tried to argue as such, I would at least attempt to make a case!

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Again, are Bugs Bunny and Steve Urkel really "adult content" in your mind? Does my family need to suspend our annual tradition of watching White Christmas together until my daughter turns 18?

No and no

[Joe Biden 2028]

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Do you ever read the threads you post in, or any of the responses people have already given you?  You're kind of notorious for this.

If you had, you might have seen me repeatedly make this exact same point, which still remains unaddressed by you and Fuzzy Bear:

Next they should ban all movies from being shown in public, because some of them are R-rated.

Drag shows are adult content. Should not be in public places where they can be seen by kids

Some drag shows are adult content.  Some are not, such as the kind that you see in public libraries.

Drag shows are sexually-based "entertainment".

Are all movies "sexually-based entertainment" because R-rated movies exist?  You're going to need to elaborate on that statement, because it appears you just don't know what you're talking about.

Harry has also asked his same exact question four times, and you guys haven't bothered answering him either.


——

Pres Mike: The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

Us:  Sure, the sky is often blue.  But it can also be gray, pink, purple, white, orange, black, and sometimes even green!

Pres Mike: *no response for a day or two*  The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

I don't ignore posts. I make a point to reply to every comment, something most people here do not do. But I work two jobs, one of whom is being a full time public school teacher. I am tired all the time so I sometimes forget to reply.

Yes, I think drag shows are adult content. And I do not think children should view adult content.

Is it possible for a drag show not to be adult content? I suppose so. Perhaps some today are not adult themed. But historically, all/most drag shows were adult content. It wasn't just guys dressing up as women. They did things.

When a drag queen goes to a public library, he almost certianily did things

Not, not all movies are r rated movies. But imagine if every movie made for a 100 years was r rated. People would be really skeptical of new movies that claimed not to be r rated. And people would not want a r rated actor/actress going to a public library.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Do you ever read the threads you post in, or any of the responses people have already given you?  You're kind of notorious for this.

If you had, you might have seen me repeatedly make this exact same point, which still remains unaddressed by you and Fuzzy Bear:

Next they should ban all movies from being shown in public, because some of them are R-rated.

Drag shows are adult content. Should not be in public places where they can be seen by kids

Some drag shows are adult content.  Some are not, such as the kind that you see in public libraries.

Drag shows are sexually-based "entertainment".

Are all movies "sexually-based entertainment" because R-rated movies exist?  You're going to need to elaborate on that statement, because it appears you just don't know what you're talking about.

Harry has also asked his same exact question four times, and you guys haven't bothered answering him either.


——

Pres Mike: The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

Us:  Sure, the sky is often blue.  But it can also be gray, pink, purple, white, orange, black, and sometimes even green!

Pres Mike: *no response for a day or two*  The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

I don't ignore posts. I make a point to reply to every comment, something most people here do not do. But I work two jobs, one of whom is being a full time public school teacher. I am tired all the time so I sometimes forget to reply.

Yes, I think drag shows are adult content. And I do not think children should view adult content.

Is it possible for a drag show not to be adult content? I suppose so. Perhaps some today are not adult themed. But historically, all/most drag shows were adult content. It wasn't just guys dressing up as women. They did things.

When a drag queen goes to a public library, he almost certianily did things

Not, not all movies are r rated movies. But imagine if every movie made for a 100 years was r rated. People would be really skeptical of new movies that claimed not to be r rated. And people would not want a r rated actor/actress going to a public library.

Best of wishes in your teaching job, btw.

[Joe Biden 2028]

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Do you ever read the threads you post in, or any of the responses people have already given you?  You're kind of notorious for this.

If you had, you might have seen me repeatedly make this exact same point, which still remains unaddressed by you and Fuzzy Bear:

Next they should ban all movies from being shown in public, because some of them are R-rated.

Drag shows are adult content. Should not be in public places where they can be seen by kids

Some drag shows are adult content.  Some are not, such as the kind that you see in public libraries.

Drag shows are sexually-based "entertainment".

Are all movies "sexually-based entertainment" because R-rated movies exist?  You're going to need to elaborate on that statement, because it appears you just don't know what you're talking about.

Harry has also asked his same exact question four times, and you guys haven't bothered answering him either.


——

Pres Mike: The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

Us:  Sure, the sky is often blue.  But it can also be gray, pink, purple, white, orange, black, and sometimes even green!

Pres Mike: *no response for a day or two*  The sky is blue.  I do not like blue.

I don't ignore posts. I make a point to reply to every comment, something most people here do not do. But I work two jobs, one of whom is being a full time public school teacher. I am tired all the time so I sometimes forget to reply.

Yes, I think drag shows are adult content. And I do not think children should view adult content.

Is it possible for a drag show not to be adult content? I suppose so. Perhaps some today are not adult themed. But historically, all/most drag shows were adult content. It wasn't just guys dressing up as women. They did things.

When a drag queen goes to a public library, he almost certianily did things

Not, not all movies are r rated movies. But imagine if every movie made for a 100 years was r rated. People would be really skeptical of new movies that claimed not to be r rated. And people would not want a r rated actor/actress going to a public library.

Best of wishes in your teaching job, btw.

Thanks!

[7,052,770]

I don't wish this to be banned for ADULTS.  If adults want this garbage, let them have at it. 

Drag, in all its forms, is inappropriate for children.  Children should not be exposed to this sort of thing on the taxpayer's dime.

Why?  Come on, I answered your question in some depth, but you're very clearly avoiding mine.

There's plenty of forms of entertainment I don't particularly care for despite never actually experiencing it first-hand, e.g. NASCAR.  That doesn't mean I want to see it banned for children, and if I tried to argue as such, I would at least attempt to make a case!

I want drag banned for children because it’s adult content

Again, are Bugs Bunny and Steve Urkel really "adult content" in your mind? Does my family need to suspend our annual tradition of watching White Christmas together until my daughter turns 18?

No and no

So then drag is not really adult content inherently? Because all 3 of those are examples of drag that people have found harmless and/or funny all along. (Until 2022 maybe.)

[Drop Billionaires, Not Bombs]

Photo of Bill Lee in drag appears in newspaper

Wow, what a gross degenerate! Bill Leeism must be eradicated. (Not Bill Lee himself of course, just Bill Leeism.)

[Atlasia GM Liminal]

Photo of Bill Lee in drag appears in newspaper

Wow, what a gross degenerate! Bill Leeism must be eradicated. (Not Bill Lee himself of course, just Bill Leeism.)

Lmao 

[Mr. Reactionary]

Photo of Bill Lee in drag appears in newspaper

Wow, what a gross degenerate! Bill Leeism must be eradicated. (Not Bill Lee himself of course, just Bill Leeism.)

He should resign.

[7,052,770]

Photo of Bill Lee in drag appears in newspaper

Wow, what a gross degenerate! Bill Leeism must be eradicated. (Not Bill Lee himself of course, just Bill Leeism.)

He should resign.

No, he should start wearing drag as governor once a week.

[Ferguson97]

Photo of Bill Lee in drag appears in newspaper

Wow, what a gross degenerate! Bill Leeism must be eradicated. (Not Bill Lee himself of course, just Bill Leeism.)

He should resign.

No, he should start wearing drag as governor once a week.

I think we need a season of RuPaul's Drag Race where every contestant is an incumbent US Governor.

[Joe Kakistocracy]

I don't ignore posts. I make a point to reply to every comment, something most people here do not do. But I work two jobs, one of whom is being a full time public school teacher. I am tired all the time so I sometimes forget to reply.

That's fair, and similarly why it's taken me a week to respond to you.

(Side note: Without knowing your full circumstance, the fact that a public school teacher deems it necessary to work two jobs instead of being able to adequately survive on a teacher income alone is f'cking atrocious, and yet all too common, but that's a discussion for elsewhere.  I'm sorry for your predicament.)

Yes, I think drag shows are adult content. And I do not think children should view adult content.

Is it possible for a drag show not to be adult content? I suppose so. Perhaps some today are not adult themed.

Right, you accept in your second point here that your first point is not always true.  That's what I've been saying.

But historically, all/most drag shows were adult content. It wasn't just guys dressing up as women. They did things.

When a drag queen goes to a public library, he almost certianily did things

Guess what... the kids' parents did things in order for the kids to exist in the first place.  I'm sure they did things lots of times that probably didn't result in creating other kids, but they still did those things that most adults tend to do.  But knowing that parents also don't show their kids those things either, and that being perfectly fine and normal, then why does it matter what things any adult who happens to be a performer around children has done in the past?  What does it have to do with their performance around children now?