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« on: December 12, 2023, 02:01:21 AM »

How well does a president usually need to do in a presidential election to receive a presidential mandate?

I hear that in 1984, Reagan needed to win all 50 states, while in 1996, Clinton needed to get at least 50% of the vote.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2023, 08:58:06 AM »
« Edited: December 12, 2023, 10:32:24 AM by wnwnwn »

FDR 1936: Win over 75% EV's: Done
FDR 1940: Same: Done
FDR 1944: Same, and war success: Done
Truman: Win over 66% EVs: Failure
Eisenhower 1956: Win over 75% EV's: Done
LBJ: Win over 75% EVs: Done
Nixon 1972: Win over 75% EV's: Done
Carter 1976: Win over 66% EV'S: Failure
Reagan 1984: Win over 66% EV's: Done
Bush Sr 1992: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Clinton 1996: Win over 66% Ev's: Done
Bush Jr: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Obama: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2023, 10:26:01 AM »

FDR 1936: Win over 75% EV's: Done
FDR 1940: Same: Done
FDR 1944: Same, and war success: Done
Truman: Win over 66% EVs: Failure
Eisenhower 1956: Win over 75% EV's: Done
LBJ: Win over 75% EVs: Done
Nixon 1972: Win over 75% EV's: Done
Carter 1976: Win over 66% EV'S: Failure
Reagan 1984: Win over 66% EV's: Done
Bush Sr 1992: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Clinton 1996: Win over 66% Ev's: Done
Bush Sr: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Obama: Win over 66% EV's: Failure

You mean Bush Jr? Obama won 67.8% of EC in 2008 and 61.7% in 2012.

I don't think the EC is really an indicator. Especially with the 3rd parties in the mix. Trump won more EVs than W in 2004 despite losing the NPV by 2 pts. instead of winning by that percentage. Reagan won slightly more EVs in 1980 than Johnsin in 1964 while the margin was just under 10 pts. instead of 22 pts. Wilson in 1912 won 81% of the EC despite just obtaining 41% of the vote.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2023, 04:01:13 PM »

270 electoral votes.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2023, 06:26:45 PM »

FDR 1936: Win over 75% EV's: Done
FDR 1940: Same: Done
FDR 1944: Same, and war success: Done
Truman: Win over 66% EVs: Failure
Eisenhower 1956: Win over 75% EV's: Done
LBJ: Win over 75% EVs: Done
Nixon 1972: Win over 75% EV's: Done
Carter 1976: Win over 66% EV'S: Failure
Reagan 1984: Win over 66% EV's: Done
Bush Sr 1992: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Clinton 1996: Win over 66% Ev's: Done
Bush Jr: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
Obama: Win over 66% EV's: Failure
The criteria today should be 60% EVs.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2024, 11:41:46 PM »

Exactly. 270 gives you a mandate to lead

That said, if you want a mandate for change, you need to win enough of a majority in both houses of congress
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2024, 02:48:34 PM »

Exactly. 270 gives you a mandate to lead

That said, if you want a mandate for change, you need to win enough of a majority in both houses of congress

Yes, you pretty much need a trifecta with majorities that can offset potential defections from within the caucus. Unfortunately it has become so partisan and extremely difficult to get big things done with bipartisan votes so that even in divided government a president can be successful legislatively. Although I would argue a (sane) Republican president could get more done with a Democratic congress than even a moderate Democratic president with a Republican congress.

However, in presidential history, landslides didn't always mean much for the next term. Warren Harding swept into office and was tainted by scandals within his administration before he died. After his landslide reelection, Roosevelt got much less done in his second term than in his first and the court packing plan failed spectacularly. Eisenhower's second term was pretty much continuation of the status-quo, and even LBJ's victory led into the Vietnam disaster. Nixon won 49 states and spent the remainder of his term battling Watergate before he resigned in disgrace. Reagan won an equal landslide and got into the Iran-Control scandal.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2024, 02:55:58 AM »

A Electoral College landslide with a supermajority in Congress. Nobody has had a real mandate since 1964.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2024, 11:23:25 PM »

I would say if you can hold your opponent to under 200 electoral votes, that's strong enough of a mandate in these polarized times.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2024, 08:52:35 PM »

A Electoral College landslide with a supermajority in Congress. Nobody has had a real mandate since 1964.
Reagan 1980 and Obama 2008 clearly had mandates going into office for change

After the Georgia runoffs, I think President Biden got a mandate for more stimulus and a larger recovery package.
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