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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2023, 08:52:32 PM »

From Election Night to Biden's Inauguration, was there any talk in the White House about Trump's making another attempt in 2024, or did the idea of his running again come only later?

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Was any campaign, on either side, concerned about mayor Bloomberg?
1. No. The only talk allowed was Trump winning in the courts and throwing out the mail ballots. Staying in office. Trump himself made noise about getting revenge on those abaonded him and acknowledged Biden's victory (Kemp and McConnell). Privaetly Trump feared going to jail after Jan 6.

2. The Biden campaign was slightly worried it would split the moderate vote, but probably a nothing burger. Buttigieg and Klobuchar campaigns thought "the nerve of him to jump in last minute". Trump did not expect him to get the nomination, although he thought Michelle Obama or Andrew Cuomo would replace Biden
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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2023, 09:50:30 PM »

At first I thought, no way you've read that many.  But then I read your list and realized I've read the vast majority of those as well.
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« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2023, 10:24:05 PM »

Was Minnesota won by a bigger margin than expected?  How did the Biden and Trump campaigns feel about Minnesota?
Trump hoped to win Minnesota in the 2017-2019 period, since it was so close in 2020. Same with New Hampshire. But after Biden won the nomination, it was considered out of reach. I think the margin of victory was fairly close to expected. Perhaps slightly more. Neither campaign thought MN was a close state. The Biden campaign did spend money to be safe. Trump never bothered, even pulled out of Michigan.

Not entirely true.  One of the books, can't remember which one, indicated that Trump's campaign thought they could win Minnesota.
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2023, 10:26:49 PM »

Was never seriously contested. At the end, the Trump campaign plan was to aggressively fight for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. They expected to win Florida, Georgia and North Carolina. They wrote off Michigan and Arizona. Nevada was a toss up.

They did not write off Arizona.
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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2023, 05:50:11 PM »

At first I thought, no way you've read that many.  But then I read your list and realized I've read the vast majority of those as well.
Yeah. I wasn't trying to read all of them. I just love political books. Whenever I see a new one on Amazon, I buy it.
Was Minnesota won by a bigger margin than expected?  How did the Biden and Trump campaigns feel about Minnesota?
Trump hoped to win Minnesota in the 2017-2019 period, since it was so close in 2020. Same with New Hampshire. But after Biden won the nomination, it was considered out of reach. I think the margin of victory was fairly close to expected. Perhaps slightly more. Neither campaign thought MN was a close state. The Biden campaign did spend money to be safe. Trump never bothered, even pulled out of Michigan.

Not entirely true.  One of the books, can't remember which one, indicated that Trump's campaign thought they could win Minnesota.
Pre-COVID, Trump himself thought he would win his 2016 map plus NV, NH and MN. Maybe even VA. By Summer and George Floyde, they wrote MN off completely
Was never seriously contested. At the end, the Trump campaign plan was to aggressively fight for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. They expected to win Florida, Georgia and North Carolina. They wrote off Michigan and Arizona. Nevada was a toss up.

They did not write off Arizona.
They pulled funding in the Summer and early Fall. Same with Michigan. They did campaign and invest in the late Fall. But the Trump campaign saw its easiest path to victory by winning FL, WI and PA. They moved funds towards the latter two.
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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2023, 03:00:09 PM »

At first I thought, no way you've read that many.  But then I read your list and realized I've read the vast majority of those as well.
Yeah. I wasn't trying to read all of them. I just love political books. Whenever I see a new one on Amazon, I buy it.
Was Minnesota won by a bigger margin than expected?  How did the Biden and Trump campaigns feel about Minnesota?
Trump hoped to win Minnesota in the 2017-2019 period, since it was so close in 2020. Same with New Hampshire. But after Biden won the nomination, it was considered out of reach. I think the margin of victory was fairly close to expected. Perhaps slightly more. Neither campaign thought MN was a close state. The Biden campaign did spend money to be safe. Trump never bothered, even pulled out of Michigan.

Not entirely true.  One of the books, can't remember which one, indicated that Trump's campaign thought they could win Minnesota.
Pre-COVID, Trump himself thought he would win his 2016 map plus NV, NH and MN. Maybe even VA. By Summer and George Floyde, they wrote MN off completely
Was never seriously contested. At the end, the Trump campaign plan was to aggressively fight for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. They expected to win Florida, Georgia and North Carolina. They wrote off Michigan and Arizona. Nevada was a toss up.

They did not write off Arizona.
They pulled funding in the Summer and early Fall. Same with Michigan. They did campaign and invest in the late Fall. But the Trump campaign saw its easiest path to victory by winning FL, WI and PA. They moved funds towards the latter two.

Interesting.  It's possible the books I didn't read on your list go into that in more depth.  There are so many books about this election, and I love reading books that are inside scoops on elections from the perspective of the campaigns, but it's hard to find even one book like that on most elections.  For 2020, there are several.
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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2023, 02:36:06 PM »

Was the election stolen like 1876, 1960, and 2000 were?
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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2023, 10:36:28 AM »

Was any big name Democrat worried that the "shut up man" incident might hurt Biden or were they pleased with his debate performance?
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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2023, 09:46:29 PM »

Was any big name Democrat worried that the "shut up man" incident might hurt Biden or were they pleased with his debate performance?
Quite pleased with Biden's performance, althought they viewed Trump's disastrous performance as having a bigger impact.

The consensus for the second debate was Trump did much better, a draw. But almost every voter had decided
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« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2023, 09:48:36 PM »

Was the election stolen like 1876, 1960, and 2000 were?
No. The 2020 election was the best run and most efficient election in our nation's history. Results were counted and reported very accurately. Its a shame Trump promoted the big lie. Otherwise, Americans should be proud how well their state officials ran elections in all 50 states, during a pandemic.
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« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2023, 02:25:29 AM »

Was the election stolen like 1876, 1960, and 2000 were?

As if any of those were....
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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2023, 01:33:27 AM »


All three of them were stolen. Bush stole Florida, JFK and Nixon tried to out-steal each other in Illinois and Texas, and 1876 was stolen by a backroom deal.
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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2023, 04:21:24 PM »


All three of them were stolen. Bush stole Florida, JFK and Nixon tried to out-steal each other in Illinois and Texas, and 1876 was stolen by a backroom deal.

You omitted 1888, unless you actually believe it was rainstorm in New York.
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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2023, 08:04:44 PM »

Please not derail this thread
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« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2023, 02:36:38 AM »

Was there any particular reason why Biden flopped so hard in Iowa and New Hampshire?

Besides Trump's occasional taunts was there any organized effort by Republicans to ratf**k the Democratic primaries?
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« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2023, 10:28:55 AM »

Why did Trump support increase 10 points in 2020 vis a vis 2016 in Hispanic urban core areas of NE NJ and upper Manhattan and the Bronx of NYC
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2023, 08:26:40 AM »

Was there any particular reason why Biden flopped so hard in Iowa and New Hampshire?

Besides Trump's occasional taunts was there any organized effort by Republicans to ratf**k the Democratic primaries?
1. These states favor novelty candidates. They also favor those who campaign extensively with  the public in diners and cafes. And they favor those with strong activist support. Activists tend to support the new shiny candidates.

Biden was a poor fit for IA and NH. He didn't have an activist base and has been in politics for decades. Not to go off topic, but Biden was the most electable general election candidate and did poorly in the first two states. Which means they shouldn't go first.

2. Not to my knowledge. Considering the media attention and record turnout, it wouldn't have worked. Trump feared Biden the most. I read conflicting reports about Bernie. Some say Trump wanted to run against Bernie, thinking it was easy to paint him as a socialist. Other say he thought Bernie could steal the populist manta.  Trump did think he would easily win against Warren, Buttigieg and Klobuchar.
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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2023, 08:28:54 AM »

Why did Trump support increase 10 points in 2020 vis a vis 2016 in Hispanic urban core areas of NE NJ and upper Manhattan and the Bronx of NYC
Turnout went from 55% to 67% nationally. Most of Trump's gains with Hispanics were with conservative leaning Hispanics who never voted before. Many of whom work with fossil fuels. Another big factor were Cubans and Venezuelans moving towards the GOP.

The number of Hispanics who voted for Hillary in 2016 than Trump in 2020 is almost entirely in Miami and RGV.
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« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2023, 09:51:34 AM »

1. When the results did not look good on election night, was there a time ween Biden did not feel confident/expected to lose? Or did he always know he would win by the margin he did?

2. What was Warren’s rationale for staying in all throughout February

3. What candidate did trump most fear?
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« Reply #69 on: May 20, 2023, 10:38:15 PM »

Why did Trump support increase 10 points in 2020 vis a vis 2016 in Hispanic urban core areas of NE NJ and upper Manhattan and the Bronx of NYC
Turnout went from 55% to 67% nationally. Most of Trump's gains with Hispanics were with conservative leaning Hispanics who never voted before. Many of whom work with fossil fuels. Another big factor were Cubans and Venezuelans moving towards the GOP.

The number of Hispanics who voted for Hillary in 2016 than Trump in 2020 is almost entirely in Miami and RGV.

Any overlap with the Hispanics that Bernie took in the primaries?
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« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2023, 02:21:30 PM »

1. When the results did not look good on election night, was there a time ween Biden did not feel confident/expected to lose? Or did he always know he would win by the margin he did?

2. What was Warren’s rationale for staying in all throughout February

3. What candidate did trump most fear?
1. The Biden campaign internal numbers looked good. At no point did they expect to lose. Throughout October they knew the election was closer than public polls. The Trump campaign also knew this.

2. Nothing official, but the Bernie campaign suspected Warren was hoping to sabotage Bernie and become Biden’s VP.

3. Trump feared Biden the most, and hoped to go against Bernie or Bloomberg. Hence the 2019 Ukraine scandal.
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« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2023, 02:22:03 PM »

Why did Trump support increase 10 points in 2020 vis a vis 2016 in Hispanic urban core areas of NE NJ and upper Manhattan and the Bronx of NYC
Turnout went from 55% to 67% nationally. Most of Trump's gains with Hispanics were with conservative leaning Hispanics who never voted before. Many of whom work with fossil fuels. Another big factor were Cubans and Venezuelans moving towards the GOP.

The number of Hispanics who voted for Hillary in 2016 than Trump in 2020 is almost entirely in Miami and RGV.

Any overlap with the Hispanics that Bernie took in the primaries?
No, the Hispanic vote for Bernie was overwhelming young and progressive
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« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2023, 03:26:30 PM »

1. Did any Democratic Senator or Governor (former or at the time incumbent) sit the race out for Biden, like so many sat the race out for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

2. Did any high ranking cabinet official (up to and including Pence) privately, meaningfully, try to get Trump to acknowledge the reality that he lost and to concede or did they, as I suspect they did (with the exception of Barr who resigned/was asked to resign after his investigation proved their was no fraud), sit on their hands in the name of staying on his good side?
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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2023, 12:54:39 PM »

1. Did any Democratic Senator or Governor (former or at the time incumbent) sit the race out for Biden, like so many sat the race out for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

2. Did any high ranking cabinet official (up to and including Pence) privately, meaningfully, try to get Trump to acknowledge the reality that he lost and to concede or did they, as I suspect they did (with the exception of Barr who resigned/was asked to resign after his investigation proved their was no fraud), sit on their hands in the name of staying on his good side?
1. Both Andrew Cuomo and Sherrod Brown strongly considered it but decided Biden was unbeatable. Brown was also concerned about Ohio’s republican Governor picking his replacement in the senate.

2. No cabinet official attempted to get Trump to concede. Only members of his family spoke to him of the possibility
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« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2023, 11:02:45 AM »

1. Did Biden consider dropping out after Iowa or New Hampshire?

2. Who did Obama secretly support? What where his true thoughts on Biden running?

3. This may have been asked before but did Trump genuinely believe there was fraud? Or was this a shtick to get attention?

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