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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2023, 07:55:47 PM »

Trump truthed she has to follow her heart and that she should run.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2023, 08:22:06 PM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2023, 08:38:36 PM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.

Maybe, but I do feel that running as a disgraced former President who much of the country seems sick of versus being an outsider and incumbent puts him in the worst position yet in a general election, especially if he wins the primary to a smaller degree than in 2016 or if the primary ends up even more prolonged.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2023, 08:40:48 PM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.

Maybe, but I do feel that running as a disgraced former President who much of the country seems sick of versus being an outsider and incumbent puts him in the worst position yet in a general election, especially if he wins the primary to a smaller degree than in 2016 or if the primary ends up even more prolonged.

I don't see why there is any need to take the risk though.
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2023, 09:00:16 PM »

If Haley were the nominee, there would probably be massive reversion of both suburbs and WWC. Given her Neocon stance, Virginia will probably be more in play for example. While the Rust Belt will probably be lost.

1. no
2. people hate neocons
Virginia is a big military state. It loves neocons.
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2023, 10:33:35 PM »

If Haley were the nominee, there would probably be massive reversion of both suburbs and WWC. Given her Neocon stance, Virginia will probably be more in play for example. While the Rust Belt will probably be lost.

1. no
2. people hate neocons
Virginia is a big military state. It loves neocons.

Nobody loves neocons.
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2023, 10:47:31 PM »
« Edited: February 01, 2023, 10:53:05 PM by TodayJunior »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.
No. We've done that before and learned the hard way. I'm fully confident we will turn out in record numbers and not make that mistake again. The math isn't there for a Trump win in 2024. If 2022 means anything, MI/PA/AZ are almost locked down, and definitely need insurance in NV/WI/GA. There is no path for them without winning 4/6 of those. It's unwise to spend much or any in IA/OH/TX/FL.

No Clinton-2016 state (save Nevada) will be remotely close (no matter how "Close" Rs *might* get in NY-state), and I could see Trump losing a state like NH by 12-15 this time and CO by 18-20. just by shear luck, a dead cat bounce in VA might make it not swing at all, who knows? GA/AZ? - Biden could easily win by mid single digits.

Bottom line? Dems know where their voters are and know how to turn them out in the states needed to win. Republicans do not, as seen by their lackluster GOTV - they're stuck in 2004, AND they're at war with themselves. It's delicious!
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2023, 10:04:03 AM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.
Dude we just had a midterm where most of the Trumpist candidates that cozied up to him lost.
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2023, 11:15:44 AM »

If Haley were the nominee, there would probably be massive reversion of both suburbs and WWC. Given her Neocon stance, Virginia will probably be more in play for example. While the Rust Belt will probably be lost.

1. no
2. people hate neocons
Virginia is a big military state. It loves neocons.

Not necessarily, especially these days. Military service is actually extremely easy and less than a quarter of recruits see any action. Unless we have another 9/11 or the Ukraine War escalates to the point we're sending in ground troops (unlikely) that probably won't change. Most US servicemembers now don't enlist because they enjoy war or regime change, but because it's an easy gig with a lot of benefits and free travel to places like Germany. Take it from someone who lives in the Hampton Roads and spent a few years living in Virginia Beach in particular.

If memory serves, Gary Johnson had substantial military support in his 2016 campaign. Possibly Ron Paul also.
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2023, 11:57:20 AM »

Lol no. Virginia is lost for Republicans at the Presidential level for the foreseeable future. That, and the military is not as overwhelmingly Republican as it was 25 years ago.
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2023, 02:29:26 PM »

Will be hilarious to see how she criticizes trump when they are on the debate stage together.
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2023, 03:26:08 PM »

Lol no. Virginia is lost for Republicans at the Presidential level for the foreseeable future. That, and the military is not as overwhelmingly Republican as it was 25 years ago.
The military has moved Democratic because the Republicans have become less hawkish on foreign policy than before. Moreover, the congressional results show that Trump was probably uniquely weak in NoVA. Haley would certainly improve significantly in a state like Virginia, although she'd do worse than Trump in swing states.

Also, I think Trump wants Haley to run, because she will likely split votes from his top contender.
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2023, 03:31:06 PM »

Will be hilarious to see how she criticizes trump when they are on the debate stage together.

I woder whether Trump actually bothers to attend any debate. He'll get some phony excuse.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2023, 03:33:06 PM »

I don't live or vote in the US but I would be happy to see Nikki Haley as President. However, the chances of that happening seem slim.
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2023, 03:43:30 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2023, 03:44:40 PM »

She isn't gonna win anyways, what blks and Latinos knows whom Nikki Haley is that's 5/6 percent of the vote, Blks and Latinos are gonna vote Biden due to Harris when you are missing that much of vote you aren't winning WI, MI and PA

Hillary lost those 3 only on Gary Johnson and he will never run again after she ignore them which no D will ever do again
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2023, 05:04:48 PM »

The fact that Trump actually encouraged her to run shows how he (correctly) doesn't see her as a threat.

Still I'm glad someone else is getting in the race.
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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2023, 06:44:23 PM »

Nikki Haley is angling for the VP Gig or Secretary of State.

Kamala Harris got her VP Position because she gracefully dropped out before any Primary or Caucus in 2020 and then got picked by Biden.

I can envision a similar scenario for Haley.

Ron DeSantis is almost certainly going to pick a Woman as Running Mate just like he did with Jeanette Nunez in 2018 who was a State Legislator from Miami-Dade County in the FL Legislature.

And to all those Democratic Clown Atlas Tards: Donald Trump won't be the GOP Nominee. Trumps entire 2024 Campaign is based on grief and sorta "Pick me bcuz I am a Winner".

Where does Trump go if he doesn't win either Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina? The Evangelicals who make up a large portion of the Republican Base are fleeing him in droves.

Major Evangelical Leaders & Pastors who endorsed Trump in 2016 & 2020 are either withholding their Endorsement or have already outright said that they don't support Trump in 2024.

Unless Clown Car Ronna rigs the System for Trump he won't be the Nominee.

I can envision a scenario where Pence wins Iowa (due to Evangelicals), Chris Sununu winning New Hampshire and DeSantis winning South Carolina. If that happens where does Trump go then?
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2023, 07:06:10 PM »
« Edited: February 02, 2023, 07:12:41 PM by riverwalk3 »

The fact that Trump actually encouraged her to run shows how he (correctly) doesn't see her as a threat.

Still I'm glad someone else is getting in the race.
Trump probably not only doesn't see Haley as a threat, but sees her as a potential spoiler for his other opponents that are really threats. However, we never know this far out in a primary - just look at 2008 George Allen or 2006 Chris Christie. Trump is probably the only person with a >20% chance.
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2023, 07:17:07 PM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.

Maybe, but I do feel that running as a disgraced former President who much of the country seems sick of versus being an outsider and incumbent puts him in the worst position yet in a general election, especially if he wins the primary to a smaller degree than in 2016 or if the primary ends up even more prolonged.

I don't see why there is any need to take the risk though.

I think it's less of a risk than Biden vs. DeSantis. Between the two most likely match-ups I would rather it be Trump again. And I feel more secure about this now than in 2016 when I was one of those who had a bad feeling that Trump would be a tougher opponent than expected for Clinton.
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2023, 08:20:07 PM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.
Dude we just had a midterm where most of the Trumpist candidates that cozied up to him lost.

Several swing states were still super close and a recession in 2024 is very possible.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2023, 05:53:35 AM »


This line of thinking ignores that Trump can easily win the General Election (he's already done it once and came very close a second time with terrible fundamentals) and then the whole country is stuck with him again.
Dude we just had a midterm where most of the Trumpist candidates that cozied up to him lost.

Several swing states were still super close and a recession in 2024 is very possible.
The president had double digit negative approvals. There is no reason gop should be losing swing states in that scenario
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2023, 07:36:44 AM »

She'll probably only have an impact by getting 3rd in the SC primary. Nobody apart from Nancy Mace, weapons manufacturers and writers for the National Review like her.
Her only shot at higher office is DeSantis picking her for VP.
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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2023, 12:33:35 PM »

This makes my heart happy.
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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2023, 02:19:32 PM »

While she obviously has almost no chance, her entry into the race will hopefully break the logjam and get other people (DeSantis) to announce.
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