Brazil thread 2023-
Red Velvet:
Quote from: President Punxsutawney Phil on March 28, 2024, 06:31:40 AM
Quote from: buritobr on March 26, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Macron looks like happy
[pictures]
Did Macron visit Brazil lol?
Yes, why? France, in theory at least, has been the best European partner for Brazil since at least previous Lula’s governments and the unexpected Lula-Sarkozy friendship.
Lula even committed a silly gaffe and called Macron “Sarkozy” in an Anazon event, which led to some ill-intentioned people to say that Lula is becoming senile, stuck in memories of the past.
He began his visit in Belém do Pará (local of these Amazônia forest romance pics), where he and Lula announced an investment program of 1 Billion Euros in the Bioeconomy of the Amazon Forest of Brazil and (French) Guyana.
He also went to Itaguaí in Rio de Janeiro to inaugurate the Brazilian military submarine, made from a Brazil-France partnership. Macron supported there technology cooperation to develop Brazil’s (and Latin America’s) 1st nuclear submarine as well, in order to guarantee peace.
He participated in an Industry event in São Paulo too and I didn’t read much about it, only that he criticized the Mercosul - UE deal as bad for both sides. France has been the main actor stopping the deal due to being a more economically protectionist country in Europe, as opposed to Germany for example.
President Punxsutawney Phil:
Quote from: Red Velvet on March 28, 2024, 07:04:12 AM
Quote from: President Punxsutawney Phil on March 28, 2024, 06:31:40 AM
Quote from: buritobr on March 26, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Macron looks like happy
[pictures]
Did Macron visit Brazil lol?
Yes, why? France, in theory at least, has been the best European partner for Brazil since at least previous Lula’s governments and the unexpected Lula-Sarkozy friendship.
Lula even committed a silly gaffe and called Macron “Sarkozy” in an Anazon event, which led to some ill-intentioned people to say that Lula is becoming senile.
He began his visit in Belém do Pará (local of these Amazônia forest romance pics), where he and Lula announced an investment program of 1 Billion Euros in the Bioeconomy of the Amazon Forest of Brazil and (French) Guyana.
He also went to Itaguaí in Rio de Janeiro to inaugurate the Brazilian military submarine, made from a Brazil-France partnership. Macron supported there technology cooperation to develop Brazil’s (and Latin America’s) 1st nuclear submarine as well, in order to guarantee peace.
He participated in an Industry event in São Paulo too and I didn’t read much about it, only that he criticized the Mercosul - UE deal as bad for both sides. France has been the main actor stopping the deal due to being a more economically protectionist country in Europe, as opposed to Germany for example.
Ok I will admit that it was a bit shallow jumping right to laughing so rapidly. It's nice to see wholesome things of great substance were achieved.
Thanks for the rundown.
buritobr:
Macron's trip to Brazil is good for Lula because he can answer to the criticism that he is being too anti-west (he is not). It is also good for Macron because he be related to a progressive agenda (preservation of Amazon forest) and he can meet a left-wing leader. Macron was minister of center-left government and became critized to have moved too much to the right in his 2nd term.
Brazil and France have a long history of friendship. In the past, France used to be a model of civilization for the Brazilian elites, more than the English-speaking world. When the University of São Paulo was founded in 1932, a french mission came to Brazil in order to establish academic programs. France likes to be closer to the 3rd world more than other 1st world countries are.
Red Velvet:
Quote from: buritobr on March 28, 2024, 05:30:27 PM
Macron's trip to Brazil is good for Lula because he can answer to the criticism that he is being too anti-west (he is not). It is also good for Macron because he be related to a progressive agenda (preservation of Amazon forest) and he can meet a left-wing leader. Macron was minister of center-left government and became critized to have moved too much to the right in his 2nd term.
Brazil and France have a long history of friendship. In the past, France used to be a model of civilization for the Brazilian elites, more than the English-speaking world. When the University of São Paulo was founded in 1932, a french mission came to Brazil in order to establish academic programs. France likes to be closer to the 3rd world more than other 1st world countries are.
I wouldn’t say there’s something more special about Brazil-France historical relationship more than Brazil-Elsewhere from the Main Western countries tbh, but my impression is that during Lula terms he tends to personally get along with French leaders and vice-versa.
Or at least they want to sell this impression. These photos are like a Pre-Wedding book with these two holding hands, smiling and having fun, which is quite unconventional to see, be it with Western leaders or Non-Western leaders.
Olaf Scholz came here twice since Lula assumed and it was always more formal meetings. And he’s in theory more ideologically closer to Lula than Macron.
Same thing Latin American leaders who came here and don’t take these romantic pictures to make propaganda about like Macron is doing:
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My honest impression is that more recently, since Lula-Sarkozy at very least, both France and Brazil see each other as strategic and complementary in different ways.
Sarkozy described Brazil in his book as a key strategic bilateral partner for France because it’s “not Small enough to be irrelevant the effort like most 3rd world countries but also not Big enough to have a role of dominance in the bilateral relationship like with US”.
Both are similar-sized economies by GDP so that stimulates a more equal dynamic for both sides in terms of leverage. Easier to have a productive but also equalitarian partnership for both.
France is also the one European country that doesn’t feel like it’s fully submissive to USA, which is an unbalanced relationship for France AND Brazil so in terms of Brazilian interests where we don’t match or find common ground with USA, it’s more likely that we will find cooperation within France.
The Nuclear Submarine “know-how” cooperation is a perfect example of this, with US being against other countries cooperating with us on the matter and even campaigning on this as for them, the less countries concentrate this technology, the better.
Only 6 countries have the technology of Nuclear propulsion in order to create this kind of Submarine: USA; Russia; China; India; UK and France.
USA and even China are unbalanced relationships to get cooperation on this kind of matter. UK is only USA pet and would boycott us by US request. India still way too geopolitically distant. Russia could be viable but would create tensions and suspicions.
Which makes France the perfect partner to get this Nuclear tech cooperation and information from so that we become the 7th country in the world to get Nuclear Submarines.
That isn’t to say we always agree in everything, far from that. EU-Mercosur deal disagreements and stances on Russia/Ukraine were points of mismatch during the visit for example but nothing that stopped that “romance” pictures propaganda.
Basically, Brazil-France dynamics are VEEERY different and more specific than general France-3rd World bilateral relationships. I wouldn’t say France is a “friend that likes the 3rd world” for instance, just look at France relationship dynamics in OTHER countries and it will look way more disproportionate.
Red Velvet:
Wikipedia also mentions 2008 (Year of Lula-Sarkozy duo) as the landmark of when the bilateral strategic relationship began:
Quote
Brazil and France entered a formal strategic alliance in 2008.[2][3] France supports Brazil's ambition to become a global player on the international scene,[4] and has been a strong supporter of the Brazilian bid for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. Through significant technology transfers, France intends to help Brazil acquire key technologies of a major world power in the military, space, energy and technology sectors.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil–France_relations
Granted, this strategic relationship seems to only exist while the Left is in power in Brazil because Bolsonaro put the France relationship in the trash hahahaha
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