SR 113-35: Condemning Ayacucho Massacre Resolution (Passed)

[LAKISYLVANIA]

I don't know if it's our place to shield a wannabe dictator.

I object since I think the full Senate should vote on this although I will likely vote present.

He's not a wannabe dictator. But i do not want to start this discussion. Even in the case he is a wannabe dictator, he and his family still deserve to be safe.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

I want to remind people that as proposer of the bill, i already did my fair bit of compromising etc. I don't think what I ask is unreasonable. Frankly, the entire discussion is starting to become another whataboutism. We're not talking about the former president. He doesn't play a political role, all the amendment does is provide him safety.

Extraditing people is a very common practice elsewhere and can be important from a diplomatic point of view. Talking about the ethics of the former president, when we are literally discussing someone who has a genocidal inquiry facing her is not right. The man never resorted to violence.

Maybe to understand this act, it's important to understand the Peruvian political situation from an independent point of view, i'm not convinced many of us do.

In Chile in the 1970s we also have had Allende being couped by Pinochet, and being forced to kill himself. If all we can change in history was to ensure his safety (even by moving him out of Chile), i would've done it. In such a case, it's important to set your bias of that person aside because at the time he was also seen as a communist even if he was in a government with christian democrats, etc. at the time, that was traded in for a repressive dictatorship that the USA at the time supported.

All I ask, don't make the same error. A lot of what you read etc. is biased (or because a lot of news is underreported). The thing we are discussing here is barely reported in the media, a lot of you wouldn't have heard about it if i didn't propose it in the senate.

If you ideologically disagree with him, that's fair. If you disagree with what he did, that's fair. I'm okay with that, but there are still boundaries etc. of human decency that have to be respected.

It's not much what I ask.

[West_Midlander]

Comparing Allende and Castillo is a stretch and is in fact whataboutism. I wonder if the GMs could say if any socialist countries are interested in taking Castillo if we don't end up taking him.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Comparing Allende and Castillo is a stretch and is in fact whataboutism. I wonder if the GMs could say if any socialist countries are interested in taking Castillo if we don't end up taking him.

Yes but I fail to see why we would not take him. He is going to be politically irrelevant. I already compromised from "continue to recognise Castillo / diplomatically support him and demanding to release him from jail", while he's not responsible for those massacres. They didn't happen under his command. Boluarte is not behind bars IIRC for those crimes, neither are the other responsible people (high placed men in army etc. ).

In a country as unstable as Peru now, it's reasonable to ask for his safety and that is something the Republic of Atlasia can ask. He is going to be politically irrelevant.

I assume to answer your question that Mexico or Colombia might be interested to do that tho (they in fact did IRL - AMLO offered him asylum IRL), but it's nowhere near a given Peru would comply with that

[West_Midlander]

Fair enough. I will withdraw my objection at this time.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Laki amendment is adopted.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I move for a final vote. 24 hours to object.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Motion passes. I will open the final vote tomorrow or Saturday for the next vote a rama.

[S019]

Why exactly would we shelter Castillo? Who, I will remind everyone, tried to launch a coup because he was upset that the legislature wouldn't pass his agenda. This is like if Joe Biden decided tomorrow that he was tired of the Republican House, and tried to self-coup (and that would obviously be wrong).

[Mr. Reactionary]

A final vote is now open on this bill lasting until Wednesday Eastern at noon (102 Hours) or until everyone has voted, whichever occurs soonest. Please Vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

A RESOLUTION
To condemn the violence in Peru

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled,

Section I. Title

1. This bill may be known as the Resolution to condemn the Ayacucho Massacre.

Section II. Content

1. The Senate of Atlasia condemns the use of violence in Peru and specifically condemns the Ayacucho Massacre that took place on December the fifteenth in Peru. The Senate of Atlasia also condemns the Juliaca Massacre that took place on January the ninth in Peru.

2. The Senate of Atlasia expresses their condolescences with the victims of the Peruvian protests and both the Ayacucho and Juliaca Massacres

3. As a consequence The Senate of Atlasia will expel all Peruvian diplomats from the Republic of Atlasia and Peruvian-Atlasian diplomatic relations will be on hold until further notice.

4. The Senate of Atlasia requests the extradition of former president Pedro Castillo and his family to the Republic of Atlasia in order to protect their safety, but where at arrival they'll be given a travel ban to Peru.

5. The Senate of Atlasia encourages early elections to take place in order to stop the violence and create stability in Peru. These should be free and fair and according to international standards to ensure the integrity of the election.

[West_Midlander]

Present

[Mr. Reactionary]

Aye

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Aye

[fhtagn]

Abstain

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Aye

[PPT Spiral]

Aye

[Utah Neolib]

Aye

[Enduro]

Abstain

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Aye

[PragmaticPopulist]

Aye

[OSR stands with Israel]

Nay

[Liminal Trans Girl]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

[Mr. Reactionary]

Bill passes 9-1-3-5

[Mr. Reactionary]

A RESOLUTION
To condemn the violence in Peru

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled,

Section I. Title

1. This bill may be known as the Resolution to condemn the Ayacucho Massacre.

Section II. Content

1. The Senate of Atlasia condemns the use of violence in Peru and specifically condemns the Ayacucho Massacre that took place on December the fifteenth in Peru. The Senate of Atlasia also condemns the Juliaca Massacre that took place on January the ninth in Peru.

2. The Senate of Atlasia expresses their condolescences with the victims of the Peruvian protests and both the Ayacucho and Juliaca Massacres

3. As a consequence The Senate of Atlasia will expel all Peruvian diplomats from the Republic of Atlasia and Peruvian-Atlasian diplomatic relations will be on hold until further notice.

4. The Senate of Atlasia requests the extradition of former president Pedro Castillo and his family to the Republic of Atlasia in order to protect their safety, but where at arrival they'll be given a travel ban to Peru.

5. The Senate of Atlasia encourages early elections to take place in order to stop the violence and create stability in Peru. These should be free and fair and according to international standards to ensure the integrity of the election.

Passed 9-1-3-5 in the Atlasian Senate assembled.

- R, PPT