What is the logic behind banning things like batons, but keeping handguns legal?
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« on: January 25, 2023, 04:57:33 AM »
« edited: January 25, 2023, 05:10:58 AM by TheReckoning »

Why do a lot of states (like California and New York) ban batons, but keep handguns legal, since handguns are a lot more dangerous?
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM »

Because it's easier to get it through the courts.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2023, 10:51:27 AM »

Because it's easier to get it through the courts.

This is pretty much correct. When I had to rewrite our protests and parades ordinance, we banned a long list of objects that could be used as weapons, from billiard balls, to shields, to thick flagstaffs, to waterguns and water balloons filled with piss, to even simulated or toy guns, but because of constitutional issues we did not ban guns.

In our weapons code carrying nunchucks and ninja throwing stars on the bus is banned but not guns (and I removed the ban on switchblades since those are legal now).

Basically, its a way to do something since there is a gun lobby who sues but not really a mele weapons lobby who does the same. The Supreme Court did rule in Caetano that the 2nd amendment applies to weapons other than guns, but there is very little case law as to what that means as far as the 2nd amendment.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2023, 12:14:58 AM »

Because it's easier to get it through the courts.

This is pretty much correct. When I had to rewrite our protests and parades ordinance, we banned a long list of objects that could be used as weapons, from billiard balls, to shields, to thick flagstaffs, to waterguns and water balloons filled with piss, to even simulated or toy guns, but because of constitutional issues we did not ban guns.

In our weapons code carrying nunchucks and ninja throwing stars on the bus is banned but not guns (and I removed the ban on switchblades since those are legal now).

Basically, its a way to do something since there is a gun lobby who sues but not really a mele weapons lobby who does the same. The Supreme Court did rule in Caetano that the 2nd amendment applies to weapons other than guns, but there is very little case law as to what that means as far as the 2nd amendment.

Do you think if I was arrested for owning a baton and challenged the arrest under 2nd Amendment grounds, would I win my case?
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2023, 01:22:56 AM »

they would gladly ban all legal weapon ownership if they could because they incorrectly assume criminals could never get weapons if they are illegal because they are empty suits who don't understand how easy it is for clever people to make things without help from the govt or big business.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2023, 01:25:10 AM »

I don't think it's a big secret that handguns being legal in a state like NY is not for a lack of trying
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 02:46:10 AM »

they would gladly ban all legal weapon ownership if they could because they incorrectly assume criminals could never get weapons if they are illegal because they are empty suits who don't understand how easy it is for clever people to make things without help from the govt or big business.

Well, criminals can get drugs despite them being illegal, so I guess it's time to legalize them too.
Amirite?
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 04:56:54 AM »

they would gladly ban all legal weapon ownership if they could because they incorrectly assume criminals could never get weapons if they are illegal because they are empty suits who don't understand how easy it is for clever people to make things without help from the govt or big business.

Well, criminals can get drugs despite them being illegal, so I guess it's time to legalize them too.
Amirite?
yes, of course.  It always has been.


To be clear, things shouldn't be legal because of how easy they are to produce, things should be legal because humans should have the liberty to decide what they do with they free time and should have the ability to defend themselves in the safest, most efficient way possible.
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